2 Fun

  • Weight:  30 lbs
  • Length: 6′ 2″
  • Width: 24.5″
  • Height: 13″
  • Volume: 48 Gallons
  • Ideal Weight Range*: 110-155 lbs
  • Cockpit Dimensions: 33″ x 19″
  • MSRP:  $1199

* this boat handles a little bit more weight than the 2007 version, as it is slightly larger.


  • Weight:  31 lbs
  • Length: 6′ 5″
  • Width: 24.625″
  • Height: 13.75″
  • Volume: 56 Gallons
  • Ideal Weight Range: 135-180 lbs.
  • Cockpit Dimensions:  34.25″ x 19.75″
  • MSRP: $1199

4 Fun

  • Weight:  34 lbs
  • Length: 6′ 8″
  • Width: 27″
  • Height: 14.5″
  • Volume: 63 gallons
  • Ideal Weight Range: 165 – 220 lbs
  • Cockpit Dimensions: 36″ x 20.75″
  • MSRP: $1199

Super Fun -

  • Weight: 36 lbs
  • Length: 7’1
  • Width: 27.25′
  • Height: 14′
  • Volume: 70 Gallons
  • Ideal Weight Range: 210-265 lbs.
  • Cockpit Dimensions: 37 1/2″ x 21 3/4″
  • MSRP: $1199


Comments on “Sizes/Specs”

  1. Spencer
    January 14, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    One of my buddies, who’s opinion I respect a lot, said that his opinion of the 2007 Fun was that “it isn’t really good at anything in particular” and that “you just bob around in it.” It just wasn’t good enough at playboating nor good enough at river running to make him want to use one. What has the 2010 model done to change that?

    1. January 15, 2011 at 12:41 am

      The 2010 Fun was a major step forward in play performance over the 07 model and improved the river running slightly. While the 07 Fun was good for surfing, spinning, blunting, and looping, it took a good bit of muscle to flatwater cartwheel, and wasn’t easy to do harder tricks–that being said I actually won the first-ever world cup event on Garb in one against all stars, projects, and all the other then-modern playboats.

      The 2010 Fun is faster on a wave, carves much harder, Is a lot easier to cartwheel–more like a ZG, or the 6’6″ slicy cartwheeler. It loops, stern squirts, and blunts a lot better too. It’s also more comfortable and the knee position makes it so you hit your hands while paddling less. Hope that helps! Try one for yourself and let US know what you think :)
      Thanks for the message!

    2. January 16, 2011 at 5:46 am

      07 Fun is a cross between a river runner and a play boat. Several of us used them at Team Trials at Garb and many of us got some of the biggest loops we had ever done on the Ottawa and Gauley in it. It’s kind of like saying a Stumpjumper FSR bike isn’t good because it’s not for downhill or for roadbiking… there is so much room between creek and play that I know the 07 Fun line serves a lot of people perfectly.
      That said, the 2010 model pushes closer towards a playboat .. a bit longer than an All-star but slicier and less ‘rotund’ so it’s easier to cartwheel than it’s predecessor by far. I can flatwater cartwheel a 4-Fun in the 2010 model almost as well as I could the regular Fun in the 07. Also new for 2010 – the stern-squirt is back! If you like some old-school in your play and still want to run rivers the 2010 Fun line is a great place to look. It’s nothing like a creek boat, just a longer play boat with extra bow rocker and more forgiving edges. Feel free to ask more specifics if you like.
      Clay Wright

      1. Spencer
        January 25, 2011 at 6:31 pm

        More play ability is what I’m looking for, particularly things like squirts and cartwheels that can be done all over the river. I’ll tell you what I think after I demo one.

  2. Brad Davenport
    January 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    I have a 2007 4Fun and love it precisely because of its balanced hybrid nature that some above have criticized. Would the 2010 model with its bias more toward a play boat alienate me?

    1. January 22, 2011 at 7:05 pm

      The 2010 4Fun should be just about as easy downriver, but MUCH easier on the play. It’d really be a great playboat–apart from the face that it’s super forgiving downriver. One thing to note, though is that the 2010 seems to paddle a little smaller than the 2007. You should demo one and let us know what you think! Let me know if you have trouble finding a demo–we’ll steer you in the right direction!

  3. Roger Palin
    January 26, 2011 at 1:56 am

    Have you stopped doing the Super Fun?

    At 6’6 with a 36″ in side leg and size 12 feet and weighing 250-260lb I’m not sure the 4 fun is big enough for a river player for me?


    1. January 26, 2011 at 5:09 am

      As far as I know we do still sell the Super-Fun .. while we didn’t update the design in 2010 like we did the 2, Fun, and 4-Funs it’s still the same design that won rave reviews from larger paddlers since 2007. At 250 I think the Super-fun or Mon-star would be better choices than the 4-Fun for sure.

      1. Roger Palin
        January 28, 2011 at 7:07 pm

        Thanks Clay,

        thats good to know and in fact I’ve just ordered one :-)

        I have a Super Hero and MonStar and this will fit nicely in the middle.


        1. Jeremy
          July 23, 2011 at 11:42 pm

          I just got a Jackson SuperFun and I am having a tough time with the stern being too far under water. I am 250lbs as well though only 6′ 1″. Are you having any of the same issues? It seems like I am too close to the top of the weight limit for this boat? I am new to white water but have many years in flat water and I’m very comfortable in the river. I’m not sure how much my ability is playing into this versus my weight.


          1. July 24, 2011 at 7:48 pm

            250 should work – perhaps you are still sitting too far back? Slide forwards till your parting line – the horizontal line along the side of the boat – is even with the water-line. Have a friend to check this from the side as you sit nice and straight up. If it’s straight then that is the best you can do…

            Any tips from big folks appreciated!


          2. Billy Gibbs
            August 12, 2011 at 6:59 pm

            I’m 6.2 265. With a 34in inseam. Im all torso. I paddle an 07 Super Fun for anything down river. And I paddle an 07 4 Fun for most park and play.{I know im too heavy for the 4Fun but it still floats fine and I can throw it all over the place.) Just a little squirly. I can tell you for sure, seat position makes all the difference in the wold. Here is how I get my seat just right. Start with the seat as far back as you can still reach the happy feet. And move it forward an inch. Float in it and sit straight up in an aggressive posture. Now look back to see if water is washing over your stern. If your stern is to low move it an inch more and try again until you get the boat to feel stable when you lay on the back deck. And out of the water when you are leaned forward in an aggressive posture. Take care not to move the seat too far forward as this can make the boat pearl “nose dive” when you are aggressivly paddling forward. These 2 boats a great but you have to get the seat just right.

          3. jeremy
            November 8, 2011 at 7:47 pm

            Still I have trouble paddling up into features because I am so low in the water. The rear deck is underwater almost all the time. I’ve done all the seat manipulating I can. I can get the boat to sit level in the water but then the nose dives even more on the forward paddle strokes. I love the boat and it’s super comfortable… but I am realizing I am being held back by not being able to get enough hull speed to get into the features I want to be in. I am seriously considering the Mon-Star. If my nose keeps diving and I can’t out power the river flow… I can’t get in and play in the holes. Just need to find a used Mon-Star in my price range!?!?

          4. jeremy
            December 6, 2011 at 5:34 pm

            As it turns out I am paddling a Super Fun Classic. So based on the specs I found on Eddy Flower…. I am right at the max weight limit on the Classic but I’d fall well in the middle on the 2007-2010 model Super Funs. I’m trying to locate a used one now so I can get a feel for the differences between the Classic and 2007+ models.

  4. Brent
    January 27, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    looking for a river running play boat, i am 6′-3″, 225 lbs and fit comfortably in the 2010 4_fun, am i too heavy for this boat? home rivers are the new and gauley, thanks…

    1. January 27, 2011 at 10:21 pm

      I think that you’ll be on the larger side (but still ok!) for a 4 fun. You might be happier in a superfun (if you want more stability and speed) or a Monstar (if you want more of a VERY forgiving playboat). Both would be very comfortable, forgiving, and do what you’re looking for–the superfun would just be more river-running oriented, though great for surfing, spinning, and looping. The Monstar would be forgiving downriver, but would make play a lot easier.

      Hope that helps!!!

  5. Gary
    January 30, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    I paddled the 08 Fun a few times and liked it a lot. The bow dove some but it was easy to get used to it. Tried the 2010 model, super comfortable and really like the change in the knee position. It plays well but seems to be a bit more sensitive to my size (5′ 10″ and 180 lbs) than the 08 and I was right at the parting line with no gear in it. Already have my much loved Allstar for P&P. Planning to try the 4 Fun and hoping it won’t feel huge! Any suggestions? Thanks

    1. January 30, 2011 at 9:09 pm

      Even though the volume specs we up slightly with the 2010 model, it does seem to paddle a little smaller. I’d bet that you’d be VERY happy in the 2010 4 Fun. You’d float it perfectly for RR and play. If it fits like it’s big, consider raising your seat a little with some foam or a sweet cheeks 200. Let us know when you get to try it!
      Stephen Wright

      1. Gary
        February 6, 2011 at 5:18 pm


        You were right! Paddled a demo 2010 4Fun yesterday….Very nice. I was able to get it tight enough so that it didn’t feel too big. Had to build a foam bulkhead and then put the happy feet bag in. Got the boat trimmed out good and it handled great. Also rolls super easy. Buying one today….

  6. vince
    January 31, 2011 at 2:34 am

    I just wanted to say thnx.This little boat makes me want to play more instead of just running the river.easier for me to ferry across without being too edgy. very easy to me the confidence to learn to playboat. THNX

  7. Nathan Pfeifer
    February 1, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Looking for a river running playboat (some P&P) that also allows me to play on class IV creeks and make them a little more exciting. I’m 6’1″, 170 lbs, 34″ inseam, size 12 feet. Would you recommended the Fun or 4 Fun?


    1. February 3, 2011 at 12:54 am

      I’ve enjoyed reading your blog for a few months now. Keep up the good work! The good news is that you would actually enjoy either boat, but the 4 Fun might be a better option if you want the forgiveness to play around on creeks comfortably. Especially with your leg length, you’re gonna be able to sit forward of center in a 4 Fun, while you might be a little rear of center with the Fun. That being said, the Fun would be a SWEET longer playboat at your size–balanced and easy cartwheels, great for surfing, carving, spinning, blunting, and it’d loop fine.

      So if you plan on using it MOSTLY as a playboat, go Fun. If you want more forgiveness with a little more muscle required for vertical trix, go 4Fun.
      Hope that helps!!!

      1. Nathan Pfeifer
        February 7, 2011 at 3:30 pm

        Thanks for both the kind words and advice. I ended up getting a 2010 Fun from the Kayak Shed last weekend. Lookin’ forward to getting it out!

  8. Ken
    February 4, 2011 at 3:58 am

    When will we see an updated Super Fun?

    1. February 11, 2011 at 6:01 am

      Hmm – don’t really know. Probably on the next round of Fun series.. 2 more years?

  9. Sam Dolimount
    February 5, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Hey just wondering if there is a super fun in this years line up?



    P.S. If there isnt in this years line up would you be able to tell me all the specs of the classic jackson fun Super fun?

    Thanks again,


    1. February 6, 2011 at 4:02 am

      We’re definitely still selling the Superfun! But we’ve somehow overlooked it on the website!!! DOH! We’ll get on updating that ASAP! It is the classic (07) design, but it’s still for sale. Last year we decided to update the playboat to make a big guy’s boat: The Monstar! But that superfun is still a great boat!!!
      Thanks for bringing that to my attention!

      1. Stephen
        February 18, 2011 at 5:32 am

        Yeah, but keeping its specs here under the 2010 Fun line is very confusing–some might even think it’s deceptive. Hey, great idea: Why not make a new Super Fun?!!! Then the line will be complete and there won’t be any confusion.

  10. Patrick
    February 18, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    At 6’2” 34 inseam 175lbs size 11 feet its hard to find a boat that I can fit in but still throw around a bit. Im really looking for something I can cartwheel, spin, and squirt more so than loop and ariels. Should I look at the Fun or 4fun?

    1. March 7, 2011 at 2:22 pm

      4 Fun would fit you great and you should still have an easy time throwing it around at your weight!
      the 2010 version is great for playboating and it will be better for your needs!
      Emily Jackson

    2. March 8, 2011 at 1:38 pm

      At 175 the 4-fun suits the river-running playboat bill while the normal Fun would be easier to cartwheel and squirt but might be a tighter fit.

      At 175 lbs I can definitely wave-wheel cartwheel, and squirt the 4-fun once I’m up on a 200 Sweet Cheeks, but have so much footroom I wear my biggest shoes to help me touch the sides. In the Fun I’m a stern-squirting fiend, but am less likely to go for a long day’s paddle away from the road where I need to take a rope, some water, and safety gear. Gauley or North Chick – fine, but even for Caney Fork I would choose the 4-fun. Try the Fun to make your the boat balances where you fit or try the 4-fun with a lift and make sure you can squirt it.
      Hope this helps!

      Clay Wright 5’9, 175lbs, 31” inseam

  11. Grover
    February 24, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Hey Guys, I’m about 6′ and 265, so I’ve been paddling big creekers for a long time, but I live on the Coosa and I’m ready to get something to learn some playboating in. Until Lonny at Southern Trails turned me on to you guys last year I had no idea that anybody made playboats for defensive linemen. Anyway, just wanted to find out if you guys would reccomend the super-fun, or the mon-star.

    1. March 1, 2011 at 4:22 pm

      The Monstar would be much easier to learn to playboat in for ya. It’s also definitely up to handling your size. ENJOY :)
      Stephen Wright

  12. Tim
    February 27, 2011 at 1:54 am

    Hi, I’m 6-5, 33″ inseam, 230#, size 12US. I was looking at the Super Fun last year but thought I’d wait another year to see if in 2011, it received the same updates as the other sizes. Why discriminate against us larger fellows? Anyways, is there an update coming any time for the Super Fun or are you sticking with the older design for now. Cheers.

    1. March 1, 2011 at 4:12 pm

      There isn’t a new superfun in the works now, but if/when we EVENTUALLY redesign the Funs, there likely will be. We just can’t afford to rede the big guy’s and kids’ boats every time we upgrade a series–so we do them as often as possible. For example, last year we made our first REAL big guy’s playboat: the MONSTAR. It’s awesome at 230 lbs! It’s still available with the classic Superfun, Villain, and Superhero for you guys. We’re very commited to always having boats for people of all sizes :) Thanks for your comment!
      Stephen Wright

  13. jayh
    February 27, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Glad to hear you’re still making the Superfun. Seat planted on a sharp rock and put a three inch crack on the bottom so I’m gonna miss the ole girl. Still, she’d been being abused since June 2007 so I feel like I got my money’s worth. So now if I can get a new one in the same size I’ll be happy.


  14. chris
    March 3, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Firstly I have to thank Jackson Kayak for making the Fun Series. But I must say I was disapponited that the 2010 didn’t include the Superfun……….it seems as if I am not alone!
    I understand why but I just need to vent a little while I wait in hope for the next redesign!!!!

    That being said I am really enjoying the 07 model. It’s a great boat,stable river runner, surfs great and plays well. Suprisingly stable and smooth on edge when cartwheeling in a hole. But it does suffer on the flatwater ticks and it does require more muscle. Still trying to find those balance sweetspots.
    Just can’t let go of those stern squirting, cartwheeling and stalling days of years gone by.

    Sats 6’3 250lbs #13

    Happy Jackson Superfun owner waiting for the next slicer more playful version.


    1. March 6, 2011 at 8:03 pm

      You are not alone! Unfortunately we made the Mon-star – the XL version of our 2010 full-on playboat instead due to the incredible demand larger folks felt for that category. At 250 I’m confident your stern-squirt will come back to you … probable some cartwheeling and stern-stalling as well. Try one out – but we know larger Fun-users are hungry for a new design too .. maybe next round.
      Clay Wright

  15. Patrick Steehler
    March 5, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Just ordered my new 4Fun. I got to try a demo last spring on Bruno Mountain, but I was 40 pounds heavier at 240. The river was pushing hard and I had quite a time staying upright. I am really excited to try it a healthier 200 and still going down. I can and will vouch for this boat. I am sorry I waited this long. I guess I just had to have the Villain before creeking season.

    Any of you guys coming out to Santa Cruz in two weeks for the surf fest?

    Awesome boats guys!

    Patrick Steehler

  16. Kyle
    March 5, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    So i’ve been looking into getting a boat for river running/some playboating/eventually I want to get into bigger water (creeking). Would this or the Hero be a better beginer boat? and also I am right at the 180 pounds mark so would it be better for me to go with the fun or the 4-fun?

    1. March 6, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      The 2010 4-Fun is a bigger river-running playboat for your weight, and I’m right up at 175 and have paddled one a lot. It’s more on the ‘river-running’ side than full-on play yet so slicey I can throw it around about as easily as the 07-09 version Fun. Should be perfect for river running and some play with light creeking potential (Tellico, Tallulah, Brush Creek, 4+ really). The Hero will boost your confidence and let you run harder whitewater sooner but it’s limited to surfing and some spins – not a cartwheeler. If creeking is your goal, and you don’t mind giving up some playboating verticality, then it’s the right choice. At 175 I feel right at home in the normal Hero but haven’t tried the 2011 Super-hero.

      Hope this helps!
      Clay Wright

      1. Anonymous
        March 7, 2011 at 3:34 am

        I love my 2010 4 Fun. It’s great for almost everything. I recently tried out the new Varun to see how it compares. Although it’s a good boat, it doesn’t come close to the Fun. Trying out another river play really made me appreciate the outfitting and unmatched fun factor of this boat. Thanks for such a great boat!

  17. vince
    March 12, 2011 at 1:15 am

    i am wanting to upgrade my 2010 S/L FUN to happy feet.i”m 5″6 140 lbs,do i need large or x large to move my seating all the way back.and still have firm footing.also do they feel spongy or are they like the foam block i currently am using.for better surfing should i sit right at center or a little back from center? thnx 4 ur time n info

  18. Adam
    March 21, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Anyone have experience being a light guy in a superfun? (175#) what’s the badness of little guy in hugosaurus? Not huge on play, more just down river. Seems that a 4-fun would be best, however i’m in a time crunch and wondering if superfun could be workable?? Thoughts?

    1. March 22, 2011 at 2:25 am

      Only if it’s for river-running and surfing, as a Super-fun might be too big for you to cartwheel or even squirt in flatwater at 175 lbs. The 4-Fun seems right up your alley.. I sure enjoyed mine and I’m 175 lbs too. Super-Fun will be a big boat, but still loose and playable in a big feature. 4-fun will be better at everything though..


  19. vince
    March 22, 2011 at 12:03 am

    did my first class 3 river this weekend at the ALABAMA MOUNTAIN GAMES,me and some friends ran the lower locust,also my first waterfall/slide.scared crap out of me, but had a blast,cant wait to do it again,EJ you were right, just go for it.well not concerned with seating question anymore,but would still like to know which happy feet would work. thnx 4 awesome little boat.

  20. yonuts
    March 22, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    In a time crunch leave soon for a raft trip, looking for a boat to play with… can anyone give me an idea of how the “superfun” will treat a 175# boater? I’m not as concerned about shredding the gnar, more just something to dork around in on the GC.
    Any input?

    1. yonuts
      March 22, 2011 at 5:25 pm

      Thanks clay, answered my (above) question perfectly.

      Have a good one!

    2. March 24, 2011 at 7:58 pm

      It’s pretty big for 175lbs but should wavewheel and surf well once you figure out how to get snug in the outfitting. Not sure on the flatwater cartwheel or macho moves…

  21. TedD
    March 27, 2011 at 12:31 am

    My current RR playboats are a Mr. Clean and a Wisper (squirtboat). I’m 185#, and 6 foot. I tried an 07 4 Fun and even though it was a lot of fun, easy to play with and so forth, I found that my knees were as wide as I could spread them. After all the time in my squirt boat, which is what I paddle the most, that wide position was a bit much.
    It was said elsewhere that the new 4 Fun changes the knee position. Does the 2010 4 Fun bring the knees closer together? If so, how much? That could be the tipping point as to how quick I look to demo one.

    1. March 27, 2011 at 12:42 am

      You heard right! The newer 4 fun moved the knees a good bit closer together….much more like a 2010 all star or superstar. It’s a much more comfortable position to sit. You’re the perfect size for the 2010 4 Fun! Let us know what you think when you try it!!!

  22. briang
    March 30, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Question, If I had two boats one made of elite and the other super linear and both were used the same exact way which boat would oil can faster? The boats get put in the back of a truck for transport, so they are not being tied down, Stored in a garage and cared for. The abuse the boats recieve would be only from the river.

    The elite plastic should resist oil canning longer than the super linear. Both plastic boats will oil can over time am i right?

    1. March 31, 2011 at 2:21 am

      i”ve used all Elite/Xlink boats and haven’t had one oil can yet. It’s as much a function of the outfitting as the plastic, but the Crosslink really holds a permanent memory a little better. At this point I’d still choose Elite just for durability and resistance to oil can/dent. HOpe that helps!!!

  23. Mike Hancock
    March 31, 2011 at 8:43 am

    The Super Fun listd on this page, which hasn’t been upgraded since ’07, is shown with the same prices as the rest that have. yet, dealerships are listing the SF as “Classic” and retailing it for a lot less. I’m a bit confused on this. Are you still making the boat in crosslink?

    1. Mike Hancock
      April 6, 2011 at 8:42 am

      I waslooking right at it and didn’t see it. OK

  24. Mike Hancock
    March 31, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Also, at 193# would I be too small for the Super Fun. I’ve paddled a Super Hero, Megarocker and Villain at this weight and loved the ride.

  25. Nick C
    April 11, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    I am an intermediate paddler, currently in a diesel 70. almost 0 time in a play boat down river. mostly paddle the Little, Ocoee, Tellico and yes some times the Nanty… I am looking for some some slice and surf the fun seems like a good choice. I have been looking for a used “Fun” and so far can only get my hands on the “too fun”. I have read the weight “recommendations” but was looking for a little extra input. i am 5’8” 150lb.

    Thank You Much,
    Nick C

    1. Nick C
      April 11, 2011 at 5:37 pm

      By the way it was a pleasure to see you all at the UT pool a few weeks ago

    2. April 11, 2011 at 11:59 pm

      at 150 you could definitely paddle a 2 Fun, but it would paddle more like a playboat than a forgiving river running playboat. The 2007 model might float you a little higher than the 2010, but the 2010 definitely plays better. Your other option is an all star, which would float you high and forgiving, but be easy to learn to play. Hope that helps!!! Have fun with whatever you get!
      Stephen Wright

      1. Nick C
        April 12, 2011 at 1:15 pm

        Thanks Stephen

  26. Ray Allen
    April 11, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    I am seriously thinking of purchasing one of the 2010 Fun series kayaks to go along with my Villain S kayak. I’m 5’5″ tall and weigh about 150 lbs. I’m looking for a wicked good river-runner and I would also like to start doing some tricks. Which Fun series kayak be better for me.

    Thanks, Ray

  27. Jason
    May 13, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    I am 5’6 170-175lbs..I currently am paddling a 07-09 2fun..Which boat in the newer fun series would i look at? I know i out weigh the boat i have now, but as far as i know it just makes it more playful and not as stable of a river runner, correct?? i like the 2fun because i am short and just feel like it fits me better than my other boat which is a Liquid logic cr 250….Maybe my next move should just be a playboat and not a hybrid??

    1. May 14, 2011 at 3:25 am

      Hey Jason –
      at 175 you would be in the ‘medium’ range of our boats, so the Fun, Rockstar M, All-star etc.

      For 5’6” I would suggest the 200 Sweet Cheeks – which has double the beans and will have you sitting up a bit higher than normal to make the most of your weight but also allow you to ‘FIT’ right in a larger size boat than your frame would suggest.

      The newer Fun has more volume, but is a much more agile and slicey shape than the 07 Fun’s – I’m actually paddling a 4fun at 175lbs just because I own a Rockstar M and when i paddle a Fun i want a larger size. The Fun would be very playful at your weight – and only a bit bigger feeling than the older 2-Fun.

      As for the ‘full-on’ playboat of course I say ‘hop on in, the water’s fine!’. I teach kids in All-stars every summer and they seem to learn river running and playboating quickly even without the added length of the Fun series. Try on and see for yourself! Once again – the 2010 Fun series packs more play and feels smaller than the 07 so i can’t suggest a 2010 2-Fun unless you really want a squirt boat. I suggest 2010 Fun, All-star, or Rockstar M – our top of the line playboat.

      Hope this helps!
      Clay Wright

  28. lynn koester
    May 16, 2011 at 2:53 am

    I have a 2005 super fun. At 6’5″ and 190 once i got rid of the happy feet It turned out to be a decent boat. Itried to sit in the 10 4 fun and its just too tight. Size 14 foot. I tried the super classic with the bulkhead and it was a much better fit. Will I get better preformance with the supper classic and will it roll better? It seems wider at the waste.
    ps I am also old and need a little more comfort

    1. May 17, 2011 at 5:09 pm

      The 2007 model Super-fun was updated in just about every way from the o5 versions: more volume, faster, looser, slicier on the bow, etc. If you like to surf waves you’ll notice the differences immediately. If you like to do loops or run rivers you’ll notice that too!

      As for rolling the smaller stern of the 05 makes the backdeck a breeze but the higher sidewall of the 07 model helps you brace or finish your roll with more confidence. The Super-fun will be a big boat on your at 190 so for freestyle tricks you will appreciate a bit of lift and the 200 Sweet Cheeks is one of the most comfy outfitting products around. It also keeps your butt more firmly between the hip pads due to the custom contoured fit.

      I know the term ‘classic’ applies to both boats (don’t think we carry the 05 version anymore ) so when you ask people they may understand the 2007-2009 model year to describe the rest of the Fun line (for comparison) even though it’s the ‘newest’ Super-fun (as we didn’t refresh that size category).

      Hope all this helps!
      Clay Wright
      Team JK

  29. Suzie Null
    May 18, 2011 at 5:13 am

    I’m bummed because I bought a new Fun and found that it was too big, even though I’m in the weight specs (5’1/2″, 140 lbs). It was too wide in the knees, the happyfeet didn’t take up enough space in the bow, and even when we added foam to the bow up to the pilar I couldn’t brace with both my feet and my knees at the same time. It also just feels big and hard to control and roll, I’ve noticed that one of the major difference is that (other) knee braces are separate and narrower, rather than just foam against the wall of the boat. I think this makes a major difference for me, as a short person.

    But everyone at boat shops had initially recommended against the 2Fun unless I wanted it for playboating, and I was worried it would be too low-volume once I added a lunch, rescue/emergency gear, my chacos — the things I bring on all-day runs.

    Another small-ish woman and I were wishing for a Fun 2.5.

    1. May 18, 2011 at 7:39 pm

      For 2010 the knees were narrowed and lowered in the Fun series, so while even the Fun felt ‘cavernous’ on me in 09 for 2010 it feels much more snug like my All-star.

      Curious if this was a 2010 or an 09 Fun you purchase?

      Either way your ‘fit’ in any boat can be improved by sitting up on a Sweet Cheeks 200 – which ‘lifts’ your knees into the correct spot given your shorter stature.

      As for the footroom, if you use the Happy Feet OVER a block of foam (classic foam wedge shape) you’ll get the benefits of adjustibility but pushed further back where you can use it. I’ve heard from another short person that they actually cut a slice down the bow end of the wall to allow the footback to slip in and rest further forwards than the wall ends since they had filled so much of the bow with foam already. In the 4-Fun I actually used 2 Happy Feet – one on both sides – since I had one handy from an older boat and that worked really well for me.

      Hope this helps! email me back for more..
      Clay Wright
      Team JK

      1. Suzie Null
        May 18, 2011 at 9:21 pm

        Sorry Clay, I’d meant that it was the 2011 Fun — the one that is new this year. People at Four Corners Riversports in Durango, CO helped me outfit the boat (which was gracious of them because I bought it from Confluence Kayak Supply in Buena Vista, CO). We tried all the outfitting tricks you suggested. We put a foam pad under the sweetcheeks. We tried the Happy Feet over the foam, and then just foam when even that was still too big. Even with all that foam in the boat, it still felt cavernous, and I was worried about being able to roll and quickly maneuver a boat that was that large and that I didn’t fit in well enough to control.

        I still think there might be a group of users (particularly maybe short women) who want a bit more volume than the 2Fun but a fit that isn’t as cavernous as the Fun. It would be nice to have a boat that’s usable without the types of major modifications (cutting the bow end pillar) that you described that another short woman did.

  30. Suzie Null
    May 19, 2011 at 5:30 am

    How do the sweetcheeks affect one’s ability to do a wet exit? I am very leery after having trouble getting out of a Liquidlogic Trigger last season after I flipped in a continuous class III rapid. There was a moment when I didn’t think I would make it out, and now I don’t want to use any boat or item that makes it more difficult to exit the boat in an emergency.

    1. May 20, 2011 at 4:18 pm

      The Sweet cheeks shouldn’t make it any harder to get out of your boat at all. It’s strapped and velcroed down to the seat, so it should stay put. It shouldn’t affect wet exiting any more than adding a bit of foam outfitting to your seat–just MUCH more comfortable and a perfect shape :)

  31. Lee Lindemann
    May 23, 2011 at 3:59 am

    Hi All! I was wondering hop close you think a 2 fun would compare to an 07 allstar?

    I’ve paddled the new allstar and prefer the balance of the old one… the New Fun seemed well balanced but a little too big.

    Also tried the new rockstar – more balanced than the new allstar and Sweet on a wave, but the high seat was a little hard to get used to.

    I’m 5’8″ 165 dry, and have the legs of someone 5’5″ so I’m mostly torso… That has some obvious advantages as I can fit in small boats and already have a “raised seat”. Also probably why it was even harder to get used to the extra high seat on the rockstar.

    So now I’m thinking the smaller size of the 2Fun, but balanced bow/stern might suit as a replacement for the 07′ allstar.

    Any thoughts?

    Cheers, from Portland!


    1. May 23, 2011 at 6:06 am

      Hey Lee:

      At 165 I can give you my thoughts but sounds like you have a good feel for things. I’m 170 and 5’9” 31” inseam.

      For me the 2010 Fun was plenty small for playboating – much slicier than the 07 so I thought it actually held it’s own in a hole until you get to loop or mcnasty rotation vs a 2010 All-star or Rockstar. A 2-Fun you’ll have to try for yourself, as I didn’t even get in but opted for a 4-Fun for my river running.

      I’ve heard a lot of folks like the 07 All-star and it’s a great boat! The benefits to the 2010 in many ways were for things some people didn’t notice – clean blunts, instant rotation on loops and mcnastys, easier to ‘push’ the boat off the water to get airblunts, etc.

      As for the Rockstar, I’ve certainly missed a few extra rolls since I got it and that first 2 days was a bit rough – but I’m not willing to go back to a smaller boat because I love the extra ‘pop’ too much and I’m hooked on the extra retentiveness on waves and holes. It’s addicting for sure. I’ve done some flatwater days to get used to the rolling and bracing and now I enjoy sitting higher and stroking from above the water and having that extra ‘oomph’ to muscle the ends down with more body awareness and weight transfer than actual paddle use. If you plan on mostly playboating, you’ll get longer rides on just about any feature.. even if you miss a roll or two afterwards.

      As for 07 All-star vs 2-Fun, I’m curious on your motives (ease of cartwheeling?) but can say the 2-Fun is a newer design so it may surf better but the 07 All-star was a boat I loved for years – it’s not slouch. At 165 you’ll get more instant gratification from the 2-Fun – it’s sure to flop all over the pool and you’ll learn a lot of tricks that way! But it’s also going to flush off the waves when you land or from the holes when you go too deep a lot more than the larger boat will. Something to be considered…
      Clay Wright
      Team JK

  32. Tony Malikowski
    May 24, 2011 at 2:55 am

    Hi all! I just got back into boating after back surgery two years ago for a ruptured disk and sciatica, brought on by 30 years of kayaking and 7 years of wildwater training. I lived in my boat for 15 years, spanning the birth of squirt in 1981 up to the days when rodeo started to go big and people started to link ends and wave wheel in the mid 90’s.

    I finally let myself go and played with reckless abandon this past weekend, Hudson River Gorge at 6 1/2 feet, in a Diesel 75. A friend of mine let me borrow his 2010 Fun for a rapid, and I loved it. I’m a wave surfing addict, and I’ve never been in a short boat that let me catch waves on the fly as well as the Fun did. So ’tis time for a surf boat, I think…

    I’m looking for your advice on which boat to buy, Fun or 4-Fun. I’m 6’1″, 185-190 lbs, 33″ inseam, size 11 feet. I was a little uncomfortable in the feet in the Fun, but saw that I could easily get a little more room by re-outfitting the knees a little. I used to cartwheel a 1/2″ cut Projet “back in the day”, but am not sure I can handle the torque of wheeling a bigger boat any more. I love to stern squirt (used to stand up a 13′ slalom boat), love to spin on waves, play in retentive holes, was just starting to get the whole blunt and loop thing before the sh*t hit the fan with the discs.

    Fun or 4-Fun? Whadda ya think guys?

    1. May 31, 2011 at 3:50 pm

      At 190 I would say 4-fun without a doubt, but of course your situation may be different due to what you expect from the boat.

      The 4-Fun will squirt and cartwheel and loop and surf like a champ for you, but of course it’s not going to be as easy as the smaller model. Best case scenario would be to paddle / borrow the Fun for a couple more days to work up your skills and strength and then go for the 4-Fun if that is going well. Sit up on a Sweet Cheeks 200 to make the most of your strength and size – it will let you get vertical much easier.

      That said, if you don’t mind a bit less speed and can handle a slicey stern that’s underwater (noting the squirt experience) then the Fun has ample volume to keep you on the surface and keep a smile on your face. It just won’t be nearly as fast and retentive as the larger boat, but trade-offs are part of the game.

      One more suggestion for you – try a full-on playboat like the Rockstar L. A bit less speed when catching waves but the shorter boats offer less torque when trying to get them vertical and might make the most of your strength in the larger size boat. The Fun series is my first suggestion – unless you really want the best surfing possible over downriver speed, but once you are on the waves the Rockstar will get you vertical with less effort for sure. Smaller boats will definitely offer you more opportunities to play with less torque, but the sacrifice is downriver speed and comfort.
      Hope this helps!
      Clay Wright

  33. Bill
    May 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Hi All!
    How does knee, leg and foot room compare in the 2007 S-Star [that I currently paddle] vs the 2010 4fun??

    I am pretty close to the 2007SStar’s absolute limit on these [36" inseam and 13EE feet]. I love the way the ’07 SStar paddles but would also like being able to walk after a long day in it.


    1. May 31, 2011 at 6:02 am

      I haven’t paddled an 07 Super Star in so long I think you’ll have to try that 4-Fun on for size or check Boatertalk or Mt. Buzz for some long legged answers. The 4-Fun should handle a long inseam but since every body is different and your feet are really wide you should try first. We can give specs based on ‘most people’ but only the Super-Fun is a guaranteed fit and it’s a much bigger boat.
      Sorry – but just don’t want to steer you wrong!

  34. Mike
    May 31, 2011 at 4:00 am

    Hi. Having spent a few summers borrowing creek boats to run rivers and play on small to medium waves around the great NY/NJ/CT area I’m up for buying my first boat and the Jackson Fun seems the right choice. I’m 6’1″ and 180 – 185 lbs so think a 4 fun would suit me. From reading the previous posts it seems the 2010 Fun is a bit more play orientated, and whilst I’m enjoying learning both river running and play I’m not sure if I’d see much difference to the 2007 version which can still be obtained from some retailers only for a little cheaper (the difference is a decent skirt). Any thoughts? I’d likely use it for both purposes, but think it would be some time until I’m doing anything approaching serious acrobatics.

    1. May 31, 2011 at 6:08 am

      The 4-Fun will be a perfect learning boat for you, and we’re raffling off a ‘new ever model year’ contest for anyone who buys a Fun in the month of June as a perk… check our FB page for exact details of course.

      Anytime you are on the lower end of the weight range you will gain a lot of river-running ability and the edges will be higher thus more forgiving. I paddle a 4-Fun at 175 lbs and while I can surf and play it, it’s a really forgiving boat. Personally, I think the 07 version 4-Fun would be too big for play – at my 5’9” height I like the new boat’s ‘fit’ much, much better although you are much taller so it might not be an issue.
      Consider the 07 Fun for sure, try one if you can to make sure it’s not too small, but the 2010 4-Fun is a sure thing. Slicier higher volume shape with an improved ‘fit’ so smaller people can paddle it more comfortably.


      1. Mike
        May 31, 2011 at 4:26 pm

        Thanks Clay. Re-assuring to hear a 2010 4-fun is a good boat for me. If I understand it correctly then, the 2007 4-fun whilst less playful would be more forgiving than the 2010 4-fun for general river running?

        I’m having difficulty finding somewhere to try a boat. Zoar Outdoor in MA is the closest place to NYC. I think I’ve got little choice but to make a leap of faith and order something from an online retailer since I’ve looked in your directory and can’t see anywhere in the NY/NJ/CT which seemed to stock any. Any suggestions given this? If I can’t try before I buy which would you think is the most prudent guess?

        1. mike
          June 1, 2011 at 1:12 pm

          Hi Clay, sorry to pester but any thoughts? I’m looking to buy imminently… maybe today!

  35. jon
    June 1, 2011 at 3:50 am

    Hi. This summer I will be working with a rafting company and will be doing lots of kayaking on whitewater. I’m looking to buy my first boat. I’d like it to be a good river run, but be able to play too. My skill level is beginner/intermediate. I took a class where we learned the basics in a pool and my roll is solid. I’m 5’10 160 pounds. I found a really good deal on a 4fun, but I’m worried it will be too big for me… I’ve been told having a little bigger boat will be nice as a beginner because the little extra volume will make me more stable in the water, but I’ve been told the bigger boat will be too hard to control… Any thoughts?

    1. June 1, 2011 at 5:39 am

      If it’s a 2010 4-Fun that’s not a bad river runner with some play. If it’s the earlier model the ‘fit’ might be so big you just can’t control it effectively for playboating.

      At 160 the Fun is what you are looking for but yes, since you are starting out the 4-Fun will be a great start but limit your play. Make sure to get a 200 Sweet Cheeks or add foam under the existing Sweet Cheeks to lift you up into the outfitting and add some leverage to make the most of your weight. You will want to sit about an inch higher than normal in such a larger boat.

      Hope this helps!

  36. Taras
    June 14, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    I recently bought a 07-09 4 fun, I have used it twice and it feels like my knees are too far apart and I get sore hips. Is there anything I can to to help this? Or should I be looking for a skinier boat?

    1. June 15, 2011 at 11:33 am

      Sit up a bit higher to push your knees closer to the knee bumps … add a sweet cheeks 200 or just try a foam pad under your existing seat pad. It’s also easy to pull the thigh pads out (hair dryer heat melts the glue) and then glue foam under them to narrow’ the knee position. Try either or both!


      1. Zach
        July 1, 2011 at 1:35 pm

        I have a 2010 4fun and I love the boat I have a question, when I try to paddle fast my front end goes under water, should I move the seat back, or do I need to just lean back some?


        1. July 1, 2011 at 10:54 pm

          Try pulling up on your knees more, leaning back can actually make the bow go down more as it pushes on your feet and is a bad habit to start, if you are still having troubles, move back in the boat… you might just have too much weight on the bow!

          Hope that helps!
          Emily Jackson

          1. Zach
            July 15, 2011 at 2:25 pm

            its a older fun but made in 2010, SL, I’m 6’2″ and 185lb, I trying to learn to playboat better, but when ever I surf the bow goes down I’m not trying to push it down. I’m going to try moving the seat back but I only have 1 more hole to more the seat back, I hope it works

            Thanks for replying!

  37. Melvin Rodriguez
    June 19, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    i need some advice. all my paddling focused on river running and creeking until i got my super hero. the super hero does everything and does it well. as i have been surfing more and more with it, i want a to learn to play and add another dimension to my paddling. i am 6’3″ 215-220 depending on the time of year and training. not sure if the star series or fun series is better for me, especially since i will be learning playboating. seems i can do borh play and mix it up with some running afterwards with a fun series.

    thanks for your help

    1. zypajero
      June 20, 2011 at 8:15 am

      my weight:85KG ,high:1.77M buy fun or 4fun? plesas give me advice thank you

      1. September 27, 2011 at 10:08 pm

        I would go with a 4 fun if you want to float high and surf green waves!
        Emily Jackson

  38. Marten Nilsson
    June 20, 2011 at 9:05 am

    I am 130 lbs, 5′ 10 ”, and paddle a Wavesport Fuse 48, which serves me well – I like the mix of 65 percent play and 35 percent river. But I can´t help looking at the 2 Fun from 2007 that my daughter paddles. The features that attract me is easy rolling, ease to switch from edge to edge, and the very up-swept nose that never pearls when front-surfing. If these features are the most important for me, should I go for a 2 Fun 2007 or 2010? The 2010 looks a little wider, what are the width specs? What about speed? ALSO:What would I possibly sacrifice If I go from a Fuse to a 2 Fun?

  39. Ron
    June 29, 2011 at 5:51 pm


    I took lessons and did 2 days on the Colorado (mostly class 2, some class 3) about 10 years ago. I loved it, but never got around to buying a boat. Now I’d like to buy a boat and get back into it.

    I’m 5’9″ and currently 250#, though I’m trying to get my football player frame back down to 215-220#. Based on weight, I’ve thought a SuperFun would be ideal, but maybe not for my height.

    I’d probably just start with river running until my confidence grew to try a little playboating.

    Which boat should I be considering?

    Thanks in advance.

    1. July 3, 2011 at 4:27 am

      Hey Ron –

      The Super-Fun is an ideal ‘get your feet wet’ kayak for those who want to run rivers but also do a little playboating. The other great option would be the Super-hero, a little less surfy and squirty so more forgiving and easy to step up into harder rivers.. but your play will be limited to surfing and spinning.

      Consider a sweet cheeks 200 to get your 5’9” frame up into these larger models .. or even a stadium cushion. These larger size boats fit long-legged people best but you can ‘extend’ your legs upwards more simply by sitting up a little higher.

      Hope this helps and follow up with more questions when you have them!

  40. charles rogers
    July 3, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    I paddled the original Fourfun from the first ones that came in at Rock Creek up until last season. I bought two of the original Classics after you did the 2007 redesign & put nicer outfitting in them because the 2007 was too big for me. At 5’11″/175 up to 185 sometimes/size 8 feet it felt really loose and sloppy. Plus the original design seemed more downriver/play & the 2007 seemed way more play/and just sort of downriver. This Summer I bought a Villian S thinking I would be happy just being on the river as a mainly downriver paddler. At almost 64 playing takes a toll. I love the Villian S but I really miss the Fourfun. The 2010 feels just as big on me, and all I have read about it says it’s the same as the 2007 in terms of a more play oriented/and far less downriver boat. I don’t want to buy a different boat than a Jackson Kayak. I like the way they paddle, roll, and love the outfitting and I have paddled long enough to appreciate the simplicity & comfort of the intergated thigh braces, and the Happy Seat & Feet. Plus all the other dowriver/play boats these days seem more play oriented. At this point I wish I hadn’t traded the last of the original Fourfuns and then just paddled the Villian S on creeks and bigger water. Any suggestions?

  41. Jeff Gardner
    July 19, 2011 at 8:04 am

    I am 47 years old and my 2007 super fun was my first play boat and is my current play boat.( I also have a villain) It has been an awsome boat but that being said it has got some where on it and I am afraid its days are numbered. It has finally developed a small leak. I am 6 ft 4 and 230 pounds and I am in the market to replace it. I love the look of the new funs but for some reason you guys don’t have one that fits me. Is there any time in the future when Jackson will be redoing the superfun like you have the smaller fun’s. If not, what would you recommend I buy.

  42. Gunnar
    July 19, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Hi I`m 6`4 and weigh approx. 2201bs+. I`m an old school player ( surf, spin and stern squirts ) and love to river run. Would the “older” 4fun or new 4fun be better suited to these activities? thanks so much. Jackson Rocks!

    1. July 21, 2011 at 5:12 am

      I feel the older 4-Fun is ‘bigger feeling’ and might fit your frame better but the newer 4-Fun offers a much sportier ride – easier stern squirts cartwheels etc.

      Both hulls are fast and loose but I like the more continuous rocker of the newer one here too – makes steep waves easier and stays on flatter waves longer too. For more river-running the Super-fun is the largest of this series but will still squirt, spin, and surf great for your weight.

      Hope this helps!

  43. Brandon John
    July 20, 2011 at 2:40 am

    I’m 6’1″ and 225lbs. I’m relatively new to the sport and paddle a Jefé Grande and a Mamba 8.5 Creeker. There is a seriously large number of people that I paddle with that will only paddle a Jackson Fun series boat and are all telling me to try one out. Which boat would be a good choice for me? I would like to learn playboating, but want something that is stable and can easily make it down rivers like the Pigeon, Chattooga and Upper Green. Also, I live in Greenville, SC and I’m looking for a nearby place to demo your suggestion.

    1. July 26, 2011 at 4:44 am

      Try the 4-fun for a crash-course in playboating, as it will be the most ‘playful’ boat you are likely to fit into. Then try the Super-fun for a bit more stability, volume, and confidence but know it comes at the cost of being easy to learn the vertical tricks… that’s why I suggest trying the 4 first… on some easier water… and then going back to the Super-fun. Super-fun with a 200 sweet cheeks for sure… raise your center of gravity and it makes any kayak ‘feel smaller (by giving you more leverage).

      Hope this helps! Anyone else got any opinions?

  44. Hunter King
    July 21, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Hey guys, I am trying to decide betwenn the Super Fun, and the Super Hero!? I have talked to Dane some personally and I am still torn between the two. Is there a 2010 Version of the Super Fun? If not, why not? And what difference is there?

  45. Ken
    July 24, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    i have a super fun now and enjoy it. So when u guys redo the super fun will this include it in a elite series? when do u guys think this is possible ? thanks ken

    1. July 26, 2011 at 4:18 am

      Will pass this along…

  46. Spencer
    July 25, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Do you guys have any plans to make the super-Fun size with the 2010 updates/elite? Is it just that bigger guys don’t buy enough boats to make an elite super fun cost-effective, or does the elite plastics not support a larger paddler? Thanks.

    1. July 26, 2011 at 4:48 am

      I don’t really know what our next ‘big’ boat will be , but will pass this along. The Elite is only being made for newer models and since the Super-fun is based on the classic 07-09 model Fun it got lumped in with the others when we decided what plastic to make them in. No problems making it in Elite that I know of, but it’s the older design so we only offer it at the reduced price of SL. You can always add sweet cheeks and happy feet as accessories and I am really happy with our new SL plastic.

      Clay Wright

  47. ian Fuze
    August 1, 2011 at 2:17 am

    I have a 32″ seam and weigh 140. Would the would the 2011 fun be too big for playboating? Would the 2fun be too unstable in class four water? I am a beginner boater and regularly go to the new to surf in my 93 riot slice which feels like surfing a cathedral.

    1. August 1, 2011 at 2:46 am

      I think a 2010 Fun would be great for 140 if you want to play some and river-run a lot. Very stable and confident on class 4 water but also able to stern squirt and cartwheel and loop really nice. I know at 170 the Fun was more ‘play’ and I paddled it on class 4+ but felt a bit swirly. I paddle the 4-Fun more now but it’s a bit big for much flatwater on me, though I can throw down in a hole and blunt waves and such.

      Since you have a 2-Fun as backup and I don’t know that boat sizing very well, you may want to try them. I know that boat will be better for flatwater cartwheels and learning hole tricks and easier to switch edge to edge on blunts, but not as stable or forgiving downstream. Sounds like you will know which one is right by paddling them for sure and I can just tell you what worked for me at my weight. Good Luck! Either of these is going to feel really sporty compared to a Slice!

      Hope this helps –

      Clay Wright


  48. Michael
    August 1, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I am 5 8 160 pounds. Found a 2009 4fun for a good price. My old boat was pretty little and notoriously squirelly so i’m looking for a slightly larger, steadier boat. Should this boat fit me alright or is it going to be way too big? I wish i could demo one first but when you find a good deal you have to jump on it.

    1. August 2, 2011 at 12:48 pm

      Hey Michael –

      at 160 I feel the 4-Fun will be a really big boat if it’s a 2007-2009 model… the knees on that generation are really high and wide and I just couldn’t really bond with it or flatwater cartwheel it. If all you want is river running and surfing, then it will fit your needs well after some outfitting work – raise your seat up a 1/2” to an inch with foam under the Sweet Cheeks or a 200, then add maybe a half inch of foam under your thigh pads to ‘narrow’ the fit to where you can lock in snugly. Pretty simple really, but for my 31” inseam and 170 lbs it was too ‘loose’ for me to paddle right out of the box. I chose the 4-Fun on the Gauley at 15,000 one day which was a really fun day and the boat fit my river-running with some downriver tricks and wave-surfing needs well.
      Hope this helps!
      Clay Wright

  49. Michael
    August 2, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    I have had the constant quandry of being a tall skinny fellow. At 6’5″ and 180 lbs I have contorted myself into many boats. I am fed up with the pain and I want a boat that i can have fun in all day.
    I am looking for a versatile play boat and your 4 fun caught my eye. Do you think this will be a good fit for me, if not suggestions are welcome.

    1. August 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm

      Sounds like the first thing I would try- hard to say on your inseam so try one before you buy but the 4-Fun is longer and nearly as playful as our Rockstar series and not so big that you won’t be able to huck it about.

      Good luck and let us know how it goes! Post your inseam for a more precise answer…

      1. Michael
        August 9, 2011 at 5:18 pm

        My inseam is 35″
        Thanks for the info.

  50. adam
    August 15, 2011 at 7:03 am

    I have been in a super fun from the day they came out I would like to know if you will make a newer super fun any time soon it is my go to boat i have a hero and a monstar also but the super fun is the boat i use the most so can we get a 2012 one for next year pls

  51. Hatim
    August 19, 2011 at 12:13 am

    I weight 93 kilos and is 5 10″ do u think the Rockstar large would be good for me

    1. August 19, 2011 at 12:54 pm

      I think the Rockstar L will be perfect for you – 200 lbs is dead-on for that boat and the design is definitely the best playboat I have ever paddled in most any feature – big wave, small wave, big hole or small hole. Downriver goes great too…. it’s a winner.

      Hope this helps!

  52. Newty
    August 30, 2011 at 3:40 am

    I’m one of those unfortunate paddlers with a 34″ inseam size 13 feet and I weigh 185. I’ve been paddling a super EZ for a long time and it is about to give up the ghost so I need a new boat. Sounds like there are no plans to update the super Fun? I’m not much of a play boater, I bought a LL Biscuit and I can hardly roll the damn thing. I realize that with my height I’m not gonna fit in a smaller boat but with my weight I may never find a boat I can flatwater cartwheel. What are my options for replacing my Super EZ? and my Biscuit?

    1. September 27, 2011 at 10:01 pm

      You could try the Superstar- Rockstar L or the 2010 4 Fun, all of these boats should allow you to flatwater cartwheel at your weight but also be comfortable!

      Also each one of these will be very easy for you to roll and allow you to run rivers in at your weight!


      ps- no new plans for super fun yet!

  53. Chris
    September 13, 2011 at 11:46 am


    I’m about 150 lbs and 5’9″ and am new to the kayak world.
    I am looking at getting my first kayak to do mostly river running (85%) plus maybe some play when I get used to things. I am wondering if the 2010 fun would be the right fit and have enough volume for my size for big rivers? Also I have found a good deal on a 4 fun but may think this is too big for my weight, what do you think?

    Thanks Chris.

    1. September 13, 2011 at 7:09 pm

      Hey Chris –

      What type of rivers? A Fun is a perfect boat to learn it at 150 and will both play and river run well. At 175 I like the 4-Fun for this roll but it will be really big on you. If your rivers are deep and you don’t have to carry gear, the Fun should be perfect. If you mean class 4 rivers or creeks, a Hero is a better option.

      Hope this helps! If not try again…
      Clay Wright

      1. Chris
        September 14, 2011 at 8:10 am

        Thanks Clay,

        I will be running class 3 and below rivers for now until I get a bit more experience, so it sounds like the fun should fit the bill nicely as I plan on carrying only the essential gear.


  54. John Fazio
    September 13, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    I’m fairly new to paddling and currently have a remix that’s comfortable but I feel it’s a bit cumbersome… almost fighting me. I’m 5 9″, 145 lbs with a 31″ inseam. I tried out a Fun yesterday on the Nantahala and had a blast but it felt a little large which could be due to the demo boat not having any type of foot bed. I also sat in the 2 Fun but my feet seemed a little cramped. Weight wise I feel I should be in the Fun especially when factoring in extra gear. I run II and III water but would like to start venturing into play boating or at least simple tricks to have a little more fun. Am I on the right track or is there another boat/size I should be looking into?

    1. September 13, 2011 at 7:12 pm

      The Fun sounds right up your alley. It’s a bit big for flatwater pool tricks right off the bat but will benefit your river running nicely. The footbag will help a lot, and it’s a very roomy feeling boat compared to what some companies make… proper outfitting will help that a lot. Let me know anything else you may need but I think the Fun sounds perfect.

      All the best –
      Clay Wright

      1. John Fazio
        September 13, 2011 at 9:04 pm

        Thanks Clay. It’s great to get advice from an expert. Would I benefit from the Elite to get a good fit or is it better to go with a SL and outfit as needed? Of course those fancy Elite color combos are nice. Thanks again.


        1. John Fazio
          September 16, 2011 at 5:24 pm

          I traded up to a mixed Fun SL today (red, white and black). I’m stoked! Thanks.


  55. james
    September 17, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    hi all
    i have a 2fun and my friend has a star ( both the 2007 models) and we have both spent a long time studing both boats, all the different year groups and we cant seem to find too much difference between them. could you tell me?

    many thanks

    1. September 27, 2011 at 6:00 pm

      The 2-Fun has higher parting line and added length for stability, though the 2010 2-Fun more closely resembles the 07 Star… just longer.

      the Fun series holds more volume towards the ends for stability river running while the Star series centralizes it for faster rotations and easier end swapping.

      Hope this helps!

  56. Stephanie
    September 18, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Hello people, i am new at this sport. in summer 2011 i tried my first river run in an r3 rapid with a wave sport and was dragged down the river with it. had no control what so ever. maybe its my lack of experience? still had fun and did my first roll in it. So i asked a guy at that river who seemed to know what he was talking about as he had 15 years experience with creeking and free style and he advised me to start off learning with a Jackson-fun series boat. now reading the comments above about it, i see that people seem to have devided opinions,based on their experience. I want to know what boat to start learning river running as well as rodeo. Can someone give me a clear answer on that please? i need good advise because despite my -not so good- first experience, i am hooked. i must do this more often but to do so, i need a boat i can call mine and a good one conidering my needs vs what i want to do with it.

    thanks for shedding light on my decision making process.


    1. September 27, 2011 at 10:14 pm

      If you want to river run and play you should really get a fun series boat, if you were leaning more directly towards playboating i would say the star series or the rockstar series but for learning it would be much more aggressive (you would be upside down more)

      The fun will allow you to stay right side up longer, and still give you everything you need to put your energy into play!

      Hope that helps!
      Best of luck! We love new ladies in the sport!
      Emily Jackson

  57. Jerry Ryan
    September 26, 2011 at 4:20 am

    I am looking at a used 4Fun about four years old. I am 6’0′, 165, 34 inseam, size 12 feet and 58 years old. I want to mainly do river running on areas around Asheville as I recently bought a cabin in the Morganton area but would like to work on my surfing. Don’t think at my age I will be doing much in the way of vertical tricks. Will the 4 Fun be too large for me? I have paddled a Fun and felt it a little small for river running. I would also like to do Wilson Creek. Would the 4Fun be up to the task?

    1. September 27, 2011 at 3:55 pm

      Because you are so tall, and want mainly a surfy river runner, the 4-Fun is actually a great choice. Anytime you go up in the size range you lose flatwater cartwheeling and small hole abilities but you gain stability, speed downriver, and increased surfing ability in flushy waves and holes.

      58 is not too old to playboat at all – loops are one of the easiest tricks on the body – it’s just a question of how often you want to roll when you paddle really. The more you try the faster you learn – at any age.

      The 4-Fun won’t be the best for learning full-on play since you are so light, but you can sit up on a Sweet Cheeks 200 once you are comfortable with the boat to get extra leverage for playboating (or a stadium pad) and make the boat feel smaller.

      This seems like a great choice for you if Wilson Creek is one of your goals for it, though, since it will fit your body with shoes on AND keep you floating higher and drier than most playboats. Enjoy!

      Clay Wright

      1. Jerry Ryan
        September 28, 2011 at 1:04 am

        Thanks a lot for the advice. I joined the local university whitewater club so I will get to spend some time in smaller boats and work on my play boating. I want an all around boat for North Carolina however. Really appreciate your help.

  58. Ryan
    September 29, 2011 at 1:45 am

    I have been paddling one of the original superstars for the past 4 years and she finally broke on my last run of the year. I am 220 and can’t decide if should go with the 4fun or super fun? What are your thoughts on the superstar or monstar?For a man of my girth? 6′ 220?

    1. October 21, 2011 at 6:44 am

      At 220 you could paddle a 4-Fun and really throw down or a Super-fun and feel much more confident river running at the expense of flatwater cartwheeling and stern squirts… so it’s really just a matter of which you do more.
      As for the Monstar vs Super-star it’s the same deal … I LOVE the Rockstar and in a Large size you’ll be able to huck it around really easily, but then again the Monstar is short too but has the width and volume to keep you on the surface for your river running and surfing and swirly water.

      Compared to the original Super-star all these will be faster and have a bit more volume, so if you LIKE the Super-star size stay with the theme and go 2010 Super-star or Rockstar L. If you want more river running, choose 4-Fun (sporty little boat same size as Super-star but slicier and longer) or the Mon-star (a full size up but MUCH more playful than the Super-fun. The Super-fun would be your most versatile option – surfing and spinning for sure and unlikely to go vertical unless you really want to..more for river running play and stability at your weight.

      Hope this helps!

      Clay Wright

  59. Dominick
    October 2, 2011 at 3:44 am

    I am 6’2′ 185 lbs and i’m trying to decide between a fun/4 fun or all star/super fun. I fit comfortably in the funs, but have never paddled any of the other models. Could you assist me in finding a place to demo? I just moved to Charlotte, NC.

    1. October 2, 2011 at 4:32 am

      Hey Dominick:
      There is a GOP in Charlotte so I hope they have a demo for you this time of year, as I know the NOC just sold all theirs off. They should at least have some boats to sit in.

      As for the difference between 4-Fun and Super-star, the Fun series is longer and a bit more forgiving while the Super-star packs more volume into a shorter and even slicier shape. The Fun series is no slouch in terms of play, and at 170 lbs I can flatwater cartwheel and loop the Super-star OR the 4-Fun. The Star / Fun would be a bit small for you unless you really want a sporty and park n play style kayak to get vertical in easily.

      Super-star for more play – easier loops, quicker spins, etc. 4-Fun for better river running, speed, and stability.

      Hope this helps!

      Clay Wright

  60. vince
    October 29, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    hello, i have been paddling my 2010 FUN for a year now, bought at noc fest last year, great boat, thnx EJ , anyway have gotten a lot better because of this boat,just ordered EJs basic playboating dvd,n am wanting to learn more playboating moves other than just surfing n spinning, would u recommend the 2FUN or a Star or maybe Rockstar to learn the harder moves in? i am 5ft 7in 132 lbs with 31 inseam.i need to b higher in weight scale,which boat would work best for me? thnx yaw

  61. Erik Bullock
    November 1, 2011 at 1:56 am

    I am 6′ 187lbs. size 10 feet, I have a 07 4Fun and love it. I have the opportunity to trade my diesel which I don’t use for a 07 Fun. With my size would I be happy with the fun if I wanted something smaller to throw around or am I just too big for this boat? If I am too big could I possibly outfit it to fit my 9 yr old 100lbs son to start paddling? Trying to make the most of a situation!

    1. November 3, 2011 at 3:11 pm

      Hey Erik
      You could totally fit in it BUT it would be VERY VERY squirty and you would find it not quite as comfortable as your 4 Fun….
      But this boat would fit your son for a long run, be stable for him to learn in, and allow him to paddle around on his own and not worry as much about flipping.

      You could play with this boat in flatwater and cartwheel for sure! So having the 4 fun already, this boat would be very playful for you…. and also work for your son. If you were just buying a boat for him, the 2 fun would be easier for him to maneuver but other than that the Fun would work fine….

      Hope that helps!

  62. vince
    November 4, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Thnx for quick shipment of basic playboating dvd, all my questions have been answered,awesome, going to start practicing tomoro morning.thnx again. yaw have a great day.

  63. Karl Treadwell
    November 14, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Hey guys,
    I’ve been looking into getting more into playboating. I’ve been doing river running and creeking for a few years now and would like to start playing more. I’m 6’4″, 210 lbs, with a 34″ inseam, and i wear a siz 13 shoe. I’ve been debating whether I should look into the Star series (either super-star or mon-star, not sure which would suit me better) or the Fun series (4Fun or Super Fun). I am totally new to play boating, and I would rather play on a river than park and play. Any advice?

    1. November 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm

      At 210 it’s the 4-Fun or Super-star or Rockstar L and if you plan on running rivers more than park n play and are new to playboating in general the 4-Fun seems like the best bet.

      The 2010 4-Fun is a very sporty boat so don’t expect stepping down from a Super-star to mean giving up verticality… you’ll be able to learn stern squirting, flatwater cartwheels, and just about any trick in the book while being nice and comfortable. It will also have a bit more flatwater speed than the shorter boats for going downriver. The Super-fun would be more of a river-runner with some play for your weight.. totally surfable and totally playable but the stern squirts and flatwater cartwheels will be MUCH harder to master.

      The other option from our line would be the new Funrunner 70 – another step towards ”river running” in a fast, playful package but no flatwater tricks and requires bigger featurs (deeper) for the best play. Faster downriver and more stability bow to stern than either of these other options. Just depends on what else you paddle, where you paddle, and what you are looking for out of this next craft… Ask again if this doesn’t give you enough to go on…

      Hope this helps!
      Clay Wright

      1. Karl Treadwell
        November 16, 2011 at 12:52 am

        Thanks Clay, that helps a lot!

  64. Robert Glenn
    November 22, 2011 at 3:55 am

    I’m 6 feet, about 180 pounds, and I just got a slightly used 2010 4Fun – I love it, and it’s so much more comfortable than my old playboat. I’m wondering, though, how far up to move the seat (both for myself and when I loan it out to friends). I’d like to just put the seat in a middle/average position, but I’m not sure where that would be. Any ideas? About how far up the little tube would an average seat position be?

    Thanks, and thanks for making such great boats! (I also bought a used Villain this year…)

    1. November 22, 2011 at 4:44 am

      Hey Robert:

      In general just slide up till your knees fit into the widest, most comfortable part of the cockpit and ask a friend if you are sitting lear level – ie the parting line of deck to stern rides about level in the water when you are sitting straight up. Level is usually best, but when learning flatwater cartwheels and bow stalls a bit forward is beneficial. LEarning stern squirts a bit sternward helps. Luckily you can do both of these with the backband without moving the seat at all… just position in near the middle of your butt when your knees are right and go from there.

      Good luck and thanks!

  65. Emory
    November 28, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    OK … I’m roughly 6’1″, 185 lbs., 33″ inseam with size 11 feet. And it’s been a LONG time since I’ve paddled consistently. Like almost 20 years. I spent the 80’s and early 90’s paddling an assortment of boats, ranging from Dancers to slalom and squirt boats. Toward the end I paddled squirts almost exclusively on a wide variety of SE whitewater. With that said, I dabbled a few times over the past few years with some rental boats … just enough to know that I can still paddle. I talked to EJ at length at GAF a couple of years ago and, as a result, am looking seriously at a 4FUN. I’ve read through most of the website material and the questions/answers, but still don’t have a clear concept of the differences between the 2007 4FUN and the 2010 4FUN … can you lay out the differences? It sounds like the 2010 might be slicier (which I like), but I’m not sure about the knee placement. I’m used to having my knees further out to the side (or maybe it’s just that I’m used to having my knees lower). I know that trying them both out is really the best approach, just looking for a little initial feedback …


    1. November 29, 2011 at 7:29 am

      Welcome Back Emory!
      185? Squirt boat experience? Go for the 2010 4-Fun and don’t look back. The 07 model is a bit more forgiving and has higher parting line for security when river running but the 2010 is a much slicier, squirtier, overall more playful kayak even though it’s got more volume.

      The other model you may consider is the new Fun-runner… a longer, faster Fun type craft that offers a really surfy feel in a slightly more river running kayak. I weight about 175 and liked the larger size… the 70 a whole lot – it likely compares to the 4-Fun in size.

      To differentiate: 4-Fun for learning to PLAY every feature, even some flatwater and Funrunner for a faster more slalom-esque take on the river-running old school playboat theme.

      Both will have higher knees than you are used to, but both are lower and narrower than the 07 4-Fun. Funrunner lowest of the group.

      Hope this helps!
      Clay Wright

      1. Emory
        November 29, 2011 at 2:00 pm

        Thanks for the feedback Clay … I hadn’t really considered the FUN-Runner as I’ve always had a bias toward slicier, lower volume boats. The goal is to ultimately get back into a squirt … once a zombie, always a zombie. So I definitely like the sound of the slicier, squirtier 2010 4FUN. Maybe the best approach will be to pick up a 2010 4FUN first, then sell it and pick up a FUN-Runner for river running when I move back to a squirt.

  66. Nick
    December 14, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    How is the 4 fun in flat water and class two rapids?


    1. December 16, 2011 at 4:18 am

      The 4-Fun is and easy boat to paddle and it’s a short boat but fairly fast for it’s length. Most longer boats will be faster so I wouldn’t plan any 5 mile lake paddle outings for fun. If you are 200 the flatwater cartwheeling will be easy but the lighter you are the harder it gets.
      It’s perfect for class 2 with some surfing and playing around.

      Clay Wright

  67. tyler lowe
    December 15, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Ive been recomended the fun series but im a very odd build and having a hard time deciding what size fun i need to go with. Looking to do some playing and river running. Im 6 foot 2 inches and 150 lbs. Id really like to be as comfortible as possible yet still be able to play.

  68. Jeff S
    December 23, 2011 at 11:27 am

    I weight in at about 170 plus or minus 5. Sometimes I’m paddling in just swim trunks and a PFD, other times a drysuit with fleece underwear and a thermos & lunch tucked in back. 31 inch inseam, size 11 feet, The rivers tend to be everything from the class 2 training rivers to the Dead River at 6000, or the Kennebec: big or little water, tiny surf holes to big glassy waves. I run and play. I am coming out of a Phyrana 7-0 M/L size which was perfect. I picked up a used Big EZ which is a great surfer/river runner for me but foot room is uncomfortable as all get out. I’m leaning towards the Fun but am clearly at the upper end of the weight scale, and at the bottom end for the 4fun. Open to any suggestions, Funrunner? Allstar, Hero?, thanks

    1. December 30, 2011 at 3:40 pm

      Jeff S,
      You have lots of great JK options! The 4 Fun might be your best no-brainer answer. It’ll river run well, and be very fun for all kinds of play. The 4 Fun would be able to spin, cartwheel, blunt, loop, squirt, and is capable of doing all the latest freestyle tricks.

      The Funrunner 60 or 70 would be a really fun river runner that would also surf/spin well, but would require a bigger hole/wave if you want to do any vertical tricks. It’s longer and more stable front to back, but still surfs well.

      If you’re looking to play, you probably don’t want a hero–it’s a fantastic shorter river runner/creek boat…but it’s not designed to surf and spin like the other options.

      Let us know what you get and how you like it!!!!

  69. Nick
    January 3, 2012 at 3:06 am

    I a super beginning kayaker, as in Almost never paddled whitewater. Found a great deal on a 2010 4-FUN and really want to pull the trigger but am worried about it being too much boat. I’m 5’10” and about 170 lbs. What do people think? Should I hold out for a FUN, or is the 4-FUN going to be good for my first season. I have at least sat in both boats and they both feel great.

    1. January 3, 2012 at 4:44 am

      The 4 fun would actually be a BETTER beginner boat at 170 lbs than a fun. It would be a little more stable and forgiving, just tougher to learn vertical playboating tricks. Overall it will be a great fit for you! Enjoy!!!

  70. Craig
    January 12, 2012 at 6:29 am

    I am 6’3″ and around 200lbs. I bought a 4fun recently. Figured I was too light for the Super or Monstar. I removed all of the footblock layers except the core one, and I can fit somewhat comfortably with the seat in the 4th (second to back) position, but this is without dry gear, booties, etc. Have yet to get it in the pool or river to check trim, just wondering if you have any suggestion/insights as to seat position in this boat. Would I be better off getting a happy feet or trimming down the core layer of the block and keep the seat where it is or even farther forward? Or should I just move the seat all the way back and hope I don’t start catching the stern?

    1. January 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm

      I’d try it in a pool or easy river and see what you think. I’d guess that you’ll want to paddle it in as forward a seating position as you can comfortably be. Maybe try to cut down the footblock if you need to. BUT i’d paddle it as-is and then make adjustments after you try it first. ENJOY!!!!

  71. Peter O'Keeffe
    January 20, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    I have a 2007 4FUN and use a Palm roto 5 kevlar spraydeck. BUT have major issues getting it on. I don’t get to paddle a huge amount (family commitments) anymore so it only gets used very now and then. It does NOT go on dry and after total immersion in water takes about 4 minutes to get it on. What deck would you recommend for the 2007 4FUN?

    1. January 22, 2012 at 1:31 am

      There are lots of great sprayskirts that should fit your 4Fun! Your cockpit rim should be around 36″ x 20.75″ (that’s the 2010 version, but the 07 shouldn’t be too much different). Your best bet is to pick the brand and model of skirt that you like best, and ask the manufacturer which size would work well for you. I’ve been very happy with all my Mountain Surf skirts, but I have lots of friends who have had great luck with Snapdragon, NRS, and others as well. ENJOY!!!

  72. Paul
    January 27, 2012 at 1:55 am

    The max weight listed for the 4 Fun is 220 lbs. I weigh 220 lbs. at 5’8″ tall with a size 10 shoe. I currently paddle a Big EZ that has a max weight of 220 lbs. I am much to heavy for it, at least 20 lbs. or more. I mostly paddle the New and Gauley in a playboat, and the Big EZ’s stern catches all the time. Will I be maxing the 4 Fun out at 220 lbs.? Thanks.

    1. March 19, 2012 at 2:46 pm

      The 4-Fun will be a great playboat at 220 but downriver it will be … a playboat. The Super-fun will be bigger for you and less fun for just play but very capable of river running. That said, the Fun series is a much higher volume design than the EZ series and should hande river running in a much more forgiving and even safer way. The cockpit is roomy, there is quite a big more air bow and stern and the hull is a world apart! I would suggest you try one or perhaps ask on Boatertalk for more 220 lb advice. I’ll forward to Colin Kemp – our resident big guy advisor too.

  73. Matt
    February 3, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I am just starting out with whitewater kayaking, and I’m trying to find the best river runner/playboat for my size. I am 5’9 and I weigh 165 lbs. I’ve been looking at the Fun and the 4 Fun and cannot decide between the two. I feel like the Fun would be the best option, but I am also worried about what might happen if I put on a few pounds over the coming years. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

    1. February 5, 2012 at 3:27 pm

      If just starting out the 4-Fun will be a big boat for more river running versatility and moving towards harder rivers and the Fun will be more of a playboat that river runs well – more fun on easier water. Another good option might be the Funrunner 65.. a little longer and less playful but a cabable river runner that surfs well.

      I’m about the same size as you are, and sit up on a Sweet Cheeks 200 to paddle the 4-Fun on rivers. The fun ‘fit’ is much more comfortable and as long as you have easier whitewater near you it’s a great choice.

      Hope this helps!


  74. Buck
    February 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    I’m 5’9 and 165lbs plus the basic whitewater gear loadout. I’m wanting something that will get me an even mesh between river running and play boating. Should I go with a Fun or a 4Fun?

    1. February 11, 2012 at 2:01 pm

      I would go 4-Fun for river running and some play. You may lose all flatwater unless you have some good skills already but on river play is great, loops go huge, and surfing is sweet! Your river running will be much more versatile in a bigger boat. Make sure to get a sweet cheeks 200 with it.

      The Fun will work on lower volume rivers and excel in playboating situations.

      All the best! Clay Wright

  75. Jim
    February 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    So I’ve just recently gotten into boating, I’ve been using it as a therapeutic way to get exercise. i was blown up on a deployment to afghanistan and ive put on about 40lbs. because i couldnt exercise, and this is really the only activity that i can do thats fun and a great exercise too. Im about 5’10” and about 260 right now but im losing weight and fast now that im trying to get back into shape. im looking into a super fun cuz i enjoy being on the river but i want to learn to play boat too. any suggestions?

    1. February 13, 2012 at 2:01 am

      The Mon-star will handle 260 and it’s a full on playboat. The Super-fun will fit best now, and will be more and more river-running versatile as the weight comes off but less play once you hit 200 – at least the flatwater stuff will be harder. So Monstar for more play though you’re a bit big for it now, Super-fun for play now in all aspects and more river running as you drop some lbs.

      Hope this helps!! Clay

    2. Scott
      March 1, 2012 at 4:26 am

      I’m assuming you know about them, but there’s an organization named Team River Runner that is designed to facilitate healing through whitewater paddling for wounded vets. I’ve been a volunteer for years and continue to be impressed with the honesty and efficiency of their operation. If you haven’t heard of them, look them up and find a chapter near you. Great opportunities to find other boaters and paddle great rivers around the country

  76. Jesse Aton
    February 23, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    At 5’10 195lb would I be able to safely fit a super fun with a sweet cheeks seat? The boat mostly be used on light I/II and II/III rapids in Western NC

    1. February 29, 2012 at 6:02 am

      Hey Jesse:

      At 195 you’ll find the super-fun REAL roomy, maybe cavernous. On a 200 Sweet Cheeks you’ll get buy but you are clearly 4-Fun sized and may consider the 2010 4-Fun instead. If this is a used boat, try before you buy as it will be pretty big on you. If you can foam out the fit it should make a good river runner.


  77. Jim Herren
    March 4, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    I am looking at getting back into Kayaking, I haven’t done it in over ten years, but was pretty good before i quit, running Gore, Oh be Joyful, and was an ACA instructor. It seems that everthing has changed in my ten year absence. Right now I am 6’1 250 lbs, 32inch inseam, size 9 shoe. Hoping to get back down to my former paddling weight of 215. I used to paddle a Cruise Control, Godzilla, And i loved the old Kendo. I also had an old fiberglass squirt boat that i was getting good in. I have kinda bad knees so comfort and ease of entry/escape is foremost for me. I would like a good all around boat like every one else, but i remember how good of a workout playboating was so i want to be able to have some fun at the local whitewater park. I am going to be getting back into it so i can teach my son who is 7 and will be about 70 lbs and almost 50″ tall this summer. I am looking at a Fun 1.5 for him. I want a boat for him that he won’t outgrow too soon. What would you recommend for us?

    1. March 8, 2012 at 8:41 pm

      Wow – that’s a lot of boating you’ve done and thanks for being so specific!

      All our boats have bigger cockpits and make getting in and out a BREEZE compared to those old boats… no more thigh hooks just well-formed sidewalls and deck so when you want out, it’s easy. The backband holds you in, but also lets you lay back for even easier exit too.

      For playboats, you could get a Super-fun right now and have a pretty advanced playboat that still river runs. Even though it’s a MASSIVE boat it will be the shortest boat you’ve ever paddled and VERY sporty. If you get the 1.5 for your son, you’ll both be in the same model of kayak. Once you are 215 it will be more of a river runner. A Mon-star would be the full-on playboat for your size / Shooting Star the full-on playboat for your son.

      Another boat to consider is the new Zen 75. It’s got a full-on planing hull so you’ll have a blast exploring the surfing possibilities there and it will be really small on you at first but lots of fun at a play park. At 75 gallons it’s only medium / large by today’s standards but still FAR bigger than anything you paddled back in the day. It’s a bit like a modern Godzilla or Cruise Control…. sporty but enough volume to run just about anything.

      There are a few big guys I’m waiting to chime in on the sizing, Colin Kemp most importantly, so keep your eyes peeled for more ‘big guy’ Zen reviews when we get them.

      As for your son, Shooting Star playboat, Fun 1 / 1.5 for playboating river runner, Zen 65 will be a bit big but surfy river runner, Sidekick / Lil Hero for more of creeker.

      For having ‘one boat he can grow into’ I may suggest the 2010 2-Fun due to it’s more advanced hull although at 70 lbs he’s a ways from the target range. It’s a better boat for a playpark for sure, but just a question of ‘how big’ you want to go for him. The Fun 1.5 a good choice just an older design and not quite as advanced.

      Let me know your local run / playspots and I’ll be able to offer more beta… but hope I’ve given you some good info.

      LEt me know how it goes! Clay

  78. Josh
    March 12, 2012 at 12:53 am

    I’m just starting out in the sport. 6’2 230lbs. I’ll be taking some lessons but will mostly be running on the Ottawa River. Looking for something ultra stable and safe. Suggestions? Thaks

    1. March 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm

      Hey Josh!

      At 230 you will be looking at our larger models, and on the Ottawa you may find playboating and surfing to be your next goal after surviving the rapids as it’s one of the best surf rivers in the world.

      If you DO want to play, consider the Super-Fun, a really high volume river-running playboat that will take you from beginner to just about any river or wave in the area. While it’s not good for creeks, it will be a big size for your weight to float you nice and high and so it will be very forgiving.

      Other options are the Super-hero .. an 8′ super-stable boat for Creeking and learning to paddle and the Villain, an 8’8” rounder boat that may be harder at first but will offer more speed and sky’s the limit creekability down the road.

      Wilderness Tours likely stocks a Super-fun in their instructional fleet – the teach out of our Funs and Star series boats so you know they are perfect for that river.

      all the best !

      Clay Wright

    2. Josh
      March 13, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      Which is easier to roll; the SuperFun or the SuperHero?

  79. Todd
    March 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Is there any news on the update of the 2007 super fun?

    1. March 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm

      Nope, sorry but we haven’t updated that larger size but perhaps next round?


  80. IanDad
    March 18, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    My son, 13 and 99 pounds, just picked up a used CL 2010 2Fun. I know he is at the low end of the weight range…

    Anything I need to do to make this as safe a river runner as is possible. He’s just starting to get into play and will be working on surfing etc. I have stern bags for the boat.

    1. March 19, 2012 at 2:15 pm

      Hey IanDad:
      At his weight it will be a great river runner, if he has trouble with the ”fit” of the kayak try a 200 Sweet Cheeks or just a half inch of foam in the seat under the existing sweet cheeks. This will lift his knees into the knee bumps and also make it easier to edge when surfing or rolling.

      To make it safe, just go safe places with safe people! Educate yourself on any water before you put on… trees and dams and undercuts are the primary hazards and even on class 1 these are the real dangers to our participants. Take your son on familiar places with very experienced paddlers who scout for wood often and you’ll slash the chances of an accident. Help him gain a bombproof roll, handroll, both sides, shallow water, and big waves and you’ve sliced that already tiny percentage into bits. There is always dangers to whitewater paddling…but with a good roll and going the right places it’s miniscule.

      Have Fun!

  81. Peter
    March 28, 2012 at 2:22 am

    Im 6’4 and around 185lbs, looking to purchase a 4fun or a superfun for use on the ottawa river. Not sure if I should be looking at the 4fun because of my weight or the superfun because it will be more roomy for my height. I’ve only been paddling for about a year but would be interested in learning how to do some moves on waves. Could you let me know what boat would suit me best and if the superfun would be too big for my weight.
    Thank you.

    1. March 29, 2012 at 5:48 am

      Don’t know your inseam but the 4-Fun has ample footroom for most people and at 185 it’s right in your perfect weight range for a forgiving boat to surf in but also improve your river running.

      Try one out for sure, then consider the Funrunner 70 as well, a longer style playboat with more length but a nice planing hull. Won’t blunt as easily as the 4-Fun but might be preferable to the Super-fun at your weight – worth a try at least.

      TRY to fit into the 4-fun first. What’s your shoe size and inseam? Email me at my first name at

  82. Cynthia
    April 4, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    I have the option of getting a used 2Fun 2nd generation or a new 2010 model 2Fun. Are the differences worth over half the price? I have paddled a Jive forever and am almost too comfortable in it. I’ve been wanting a play boat for our backyard class II stretch to push me to the next level. I’m 5’4″ and 120 lbs. I’m looking for a boat I can dominate. I can’t even do a good stern squirt in my Jive. Should I even consider a 1.5Fun?

    1. April 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm

      Personally I would go for the 2010 even with the 1/2 price difference. It’s a MUCH better playboat for surfing and learning vertical tricks but also a great river runner. It’s a big step up for play with few sacrifices… so the extra $ will be well rewarded in progression.


  83. Adam
    April 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    I have a super fun and LOVE this boat. I also have the 1st yr super hero. I am looking for 2 new boats. I take the super fun all over the ark and just love it. The hero is for safty boating and it does the job but would like a newer boat. I would like a boat that can be a creeker and a safty boat, and one to replace my fun. I am 6’5″ 270lb with a 38in legs what should i look at.


  84. Eric
    April 11, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    My son is starting to get excited about whitewater kayaking. He has an All Star; I want to get something that will allow me to keep up with him, at least a little (I’m a beginner). I’m considering a used 4fun. My main considerations are safety and comfort, with a little surfing thrown in for good measure. Is the 4fun a good boat for me?

    Also, I’ll be in FL this summer and would like to do some ocean surfing. How does the 4fun perform in ocean surf? Thanks for whatever feedback you’re able to provide.

    1. April 15, 2012 at 5:56 am

      Not sure of your weight but the 2010 4-fun is a great surfer and actually does well in the ocean. The earlier model, the 07 – 09 boats, are more versatile river runners but not quite as zippy on diagonal waves… still impressive though. What’s your weight and that will confirm my suggestion…


      1. Eric
        April 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm

        I weigh 190. I got the boat; I’m excited to try it out. The next step is to get a skirt.

      2. Eric
        April 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm

        The 4fun is awesome! Despite being a beginner, I’m able to roll it pretty easily, and was even able to hand-roll it on my second try, despite never having hand-rolled before. In the flat water where I used it, it seems to track pretty well and is quick, but not as fast as some of the other river runners I was paddling with. I’ll be trying it out on whitewater soon, and I’ll definitely take it to the ocean this summer.

  85. Eric
    April 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    I forgot to mention that I’m 5’11” and weigh around 190 and have size 11 feet.

  86. Andy
    April 13, 2012 at 12:10 am

    I’m 5’10” ranging from 155-164 (depending on what I ate for dinner) and am interested in getting into a playboat. I learned in a perception whip-it on the Chattooga, used a RPM in the Grand Canyon (Big Ditch), been in a burn on the Ocoee….mostly spent my time in my whip-it, though. Have a permit for the middle fork of the salmon (june) and will be going back to the “Big Ditch” in December. I was looking at the fun series, fun runner, and zen boats… any thoughts?

    1. April 13, 2012 at 4:35 pm

      Cool! I learned in a whip it as well! The short answer to your question is that The Fun, Funrunner, or Zen would all do what you want. It really depends on how much of a lean towards playboating you’re interested in.

      The Fun would paddle like a very forgiving playboat: You’d be able to get vertical easily, surfing and spinning would be great, it’s light, but slower than the others (cause it’s a good bit shorter). If you’d really looking to learn to playboat, the fun would be the best of the bunch by far!

      The Fun Runner 60 would be more like a much more playful whip-it: Still fast and smooth, but surfing would be MUCH more fun (spinning would be infinitely better), and it should still be stern squirtable with a good eddyline. Cartwheels and blunts would work with a good wave/hole, but you probably won’t be practicing much flatwater freestyle in it. It would be a huge step forward from the Whip-it for play and comfort!

      The Zen 65 would be more of a downriver machine that would also surf really well. It would be the fastest and most forgiving of the lot, plus you’d be able to do some creeking in it as well! The hull is really similar to the FunRunner, so it’ll surf and spin exceptionally well, but it would be much harder if you want to learn vertical tricks.

      Hope that helps!!! Tell us what you get and how much you love it!!!!

  87. Sebastian Giquiardo
    April 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Jackson Kayak Friends: I have a height of 192 cm, weighing 110 kg,
    my legs have a length of 98 cm measured from the crotch (groin),
    my feet measured 47 cm.
    In which kayak will be more comfortable: the Mon Star model or Super Fun model ?
    If you have any questions for me my email is
    Thank you very much.
    Sebastian from Argentina.

    1. May 8, 2012 at 6:56 am

      Hey Sebastian:

      At 245 and 38” inseam I would guess either boat would work for you but the Super-fun might fit your feet better.

      I’ve sent this to our big guy expert Colin Kemp for a more detailed analysis!

      Expect and email soon.


  88. Shannon
    April 22, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    I am brand new to paddling. I want to get in play boating and white water. I am looking at buying a used 4 fun on Wed. I am 6’0″ 155lbs with size 12 shoes. will this boat work good for me?

    Thanks for all input.

    1. April 23, 2012 at 3:42 pm

      at 155 the 4-Fun will be a big boat for you – great for river running and surfing but it will require a lot of outfitting and limit the tricks you’ll be working on in flatwater.

      A Fun would be a better choice most likely unless this is a really, really good deal and you have friends that can help you outfit the boat… or if you mainly want to river run. If it’s a 2010 model or later it will work pretty well but the 07 and earlier designs ‘fit’ much larger and will be harder to play at 155 so the 2010 will be worth much more to you than the 07 version.

      Hope this helps!


  89. tom
    April 23, 2012 at 3:16 am

    I’m getting ready to buy a Fun and I’d like to know if I can go with the 4 Fun rather than the Super Fun. I’m around 6’2 and about 180-190 and wear a size 13 shoe. My feet are my problem. I had a Super Fun (2007 or 08, Mr. Jackson personally sold me a used demo) and it fit my feet fine but was otherwise too big for me. I tried last year’s 4 Fun and my feet did fit it and it seemed to fit me very well. Wondering if the sizing has changed…or recommendations.

    Thanks, Tom.

    1. April 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm

      This year’s 4-fun same as last year but new outfitting colors. At your weight that seems like a good choice and it will be MUCH more playful than the 07 4-Fun or especially 07 Super-fun! It’s pretty playful compared to the older ones. As for sizing, here’s what I got from Colin – our resident big guy:

      I am a size 36″ inseam and size 13 feet. I can
      just squeeze into the 2010 4 fun with stock outfitting. There are a few
      things that I can suggest to help boost up the comfort level for you.
      This is what I do in my play boats and river running play boats. What do
      you typically wear on your feet, and what do you expect to wear in this
      boat? What do you prefer for a foot system? If you are willing to play
      with a bit of foam I have a trick to give you a bit more foot room to play

      Hope this helps you make the best decision!


  90. Ken Nelson
    April 25, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Hi, I’m 5″11 and weigh 180-190 which is right at the top of the weight range for a Fun. I have an older Kingpin 6.3 that I like but it is heavy, beat up and it leaks. I’m trying to learn some flatwater playboating moves and the Kingpin has a bit too much volume. I don’t really want an Allstar (too optimized for playboating for me) so I figured a Fun might be a good compromise between playboating and river running. My question is this, if I am right at the top of the Fun weight range or maybe a few pound over will it compromise the performance of the boat for river running? I’m not sure what the published maximum weight means depending on what kind of boating I am doing. A 4-Fun seems like it might have too much volume for a beginner like me to learn any playboating moves in…..what do I buy? Thanks

    1. April 25, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      It’s tough for one boat to river run like I like but be the perfect boat to learn flatwater cartwheels in as well… kinda like having a car that’s great for off-road use but corners like a sports car you are looking into performance aspects that require opposing ideas.

      River – runners have more volume and more at the end so you can stay level through waves and boils and drops. Squirt boats cartwheel the easiest…

      While the Fun will be a big improvement to your Kingpin in flatwater and perhaps some river running as well, it’s pretty small for you in terms of modern river running and normally I would suggest the 4-Fun instead except for your desire to get vertical.

      One suggestions would be to SMASH the bow and stern ends of the Kinpin with a heat gun (gorilla tape over all screw holes too) so you can learn flatwater more easily… then get a bigger boat for river running. You could also borrow an older slicey boat like a Shock or XXX or Mr. Clean to learn the flatwater balance and technique then apply it and your newly found confidence to a bigger boat.

      Demo the Fun … it’s a great mix of exactly what you are asking for but you’ll feel the stern a bit more than most newer boats… similar perhaps to an RPM at your weight. That used to be normal but these days most river runners look for higher parting lines and more volume. A 4-fun would perform well for you EXCEPT it will challenge your ability to learn to throw it around… smaller boats are best for learning. Less muscle, less work.

      Hope this helps – hit me again for more.


  91. Reid
    May 1, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    I have a 07 superstar and like it but time to get an new boat. the newer play boats seem a little cor-key for my liking. I am 6’0″ and about 190-200lbs. Would the 4 fun be good for me or will I feel like I have back wards in playability? I do like to squirt in a boat and not been real good at doing this in the super star. Also will the 4 fun be harder to throw around in flat water?


    1. May 2, 2012 at 4:59 am

      4-Fun is slicier but longer.. not sure which easier in flatwater but it’s squirtier than the Super-star for sure.

      You should paddle to be sure as I haven’t compared these two boats and haven’t sat in an 07 Super-star since 09.

      4-Fun was great in a hole but I haven’t had it on a big wave enough to know for sure, but it was based on the 2010 All-star which totally eclipsed the 07 in wave surfing performance.

      Hope this helps a little..!


  92. Jon Belcher
    May 1, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Im looking at getting a superfun or 4 fun, im 5’11 220 with a 36” waste and size 11 feet. Ive played around in a super fun and enjoyed it a lot but was wondering if a 4fun would be more to my liking size wise.

    1. June 13, 2012 at 4:48 pm

      The 4-Fun will be pretty sporty at 220 but you will fit and be able to throw it around nicely. I think it’s a personal preference sort of thing so you should probably try it and see if you want that level of play and squirtiness or more river running.

      I paddled a Fun at 170 and it’s more ‘play’ than river runner.. so it just depends on if that’s what you are looking for.

      Hope this helps a little…

      Ask another question if not…


  93. Shannon
    May 2, 2012 at 2:49 am

    Thanks for the feed back Clay. I have bought a jackson allstar. Is it a good boat? It is used and has the happy feet in it but I’m having trouble with My legs going to sleep on me after just a short time in it. I think its the way the seat fits me but I’m not sure. Are there any trick I can do with this boat to make it more comfortable? I love the boat other than that. Also I’m not sure how the happy feet are supposed to work. Is there any manuals I can get for how to fit them to My feet?

  94. Jesse
    May 3, 2012 at 12:02 am

    I am around 5’10-11″ and weigh between 140-145 lbs (inseam 29″). I have not been kayaking for a couple of years and have found the time to get back into it. I was curious if a 2008/2009 2Fun would be an okay size more so as a playboat and maybe periodically as a class I to III+ river runner. Appreciate the input.

    1. May 3, 2012 at 1:15 am

      The 08 2 fun would definitely be a good all arounder (play mostly) for ya :) 2010 models would be more playful for sure, and you’d also do well all around in an all star or rockstar Medium.

      Welcome back!!!!

  95. Jason
    May 3, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Hi, I’m looking at an 09 superfun. I’m 6′ 220 pounds and size 11 shoe. Will this boat work for river running, surfing, splats, squirts, spins and cartwheels? Thanks a lot

    1. May 3, 2012 at 1:16 am

      The superfun would be perfect for all those things at your size. You’re exactly in the middle of the target weight range! If you wanted to go even more playful, you could always look for a monstar.

  96. Stuart
    May 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    I am 6foot 3inch size 12 feet and 180 pounds….will i fit into the 4 fun?

  97. Matt
    May 14, 2012 at 12:13 am

    I’m sure you are tired of answering these size questions but I want to be sure before I drop the coin. I’m currently at 170 without gear which is heavy for me. This puts me on the high side of the Fun and low side of 4Fun. I am not looking for a pure playboat. I want to run rivers as well. From what I read it sounds the Fun will be more playful and the 4Fun would be more river runner. From there it’s just up to me to decide which way I want to lean right? Input would be super helpful. I don’t want to pick up the wrong size. Thanks!

    1. May 17, 2012 at 7:08 pm

      I’m 170 too, and for play I would go FUN for sure as I’ve run it down class 4+ easily but can also flatwater cartwheel it all over the pools.

      But if river running is the primary concern choose the 4-Fun.

      While I can flatwater cartwheel and loop the 4-fun most people our size cannot, so keep in mind getting a larger boat will mean playing in features only, but once you have some skills it goes huge on loops and macho moves etc.

      Consider a sweet cheeks 200 or adding foam under your seat pad as it’s a wide craft and so stable that sitting a bit higher has few consequences but lets you gain some leverage over the hull for easier edging and tighter knee fit.

      Hope this helps! Give me more specs and a home river and I’ll try to cater more specifically.


      If you are just looking to surf and spin and cartwheel and loop in a feature, it’s good for that.

      As for running rivers it’s gonna be great for that and for surfing waves and spinning in holes – very retentive!

  98. Jess
    May 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    I am 147, I’m about to get a great deal on a 2 fun. I’m a very athletic build…will this be too small?

    1. May 15, 2012 at 3:32 pm

      At your size, it’ll be more playful, but still a good boat. I paddled a 2 fun for awhile as my playboat (at around 145 lbs), and really enjoyed it. It won’t loop huge, but it’ll be a blast to surf, spin, cartwheel, blunt, and stuff like that. Enjoy!

  99. Aaron T
    May 18, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Hello, I am 6’5″ and 255lbs. I notice the monstar has more volume than a super fun. Would a monstar make a better river runner or should i be at the very top of the weight range of a super fun.

    1. May 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm

      Aaron T,
      The Superfun should be a better river runner at your size. It’s a longer boat with more of a planning surface to keep you on the surface of the water. The monstar would be much easier for you to do vertical playboating tricks, but probably more of a handful downriver. Enjoy!

      1. Aaron T
        May 18, 2012 at 9:01 pm

        awsome! thanks for the super quick response.

  100. Paul
    May 24, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Hey, Im about to purchase a used 4 fun, and I’m wondering what deck size for the skirt I would want to get?

    1. May 30, 2012 at 6:42 am

      as they vary by brand, please check with the skirt company to be sure.


  101. Martin N
    June 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    I’m just getting into the sport and have an opportunity to get an 07 model 2-Fun for a great deal. I’m 5’8″ and weight fluctuates between 115 and 135. For the time being I’m more into river running than playboating, would the 2-fun still be a good boat to get?

    1. June 6, 2012 at 9:36 pm

      Sounds right up your alley – the older 2-Fun ‘feels’ bigger so is more suited to river running at your weight than the new one. Should be a great fit.


  102. Tim
    June 18, 2012 at 4:13 am

    Im looking for my first playboat. Ive been in a rouge 10 for a year now and im ready to up my game.At 6ft 145-147lb whats my best chouce between the 2 fun and the fun? Keep in mind ill be learning the moves in this boat and I want to get all I can from it.

  103. paul
    June 22, 2012 at 1:52 am

    hi im 6,3, 180, 185, with a 34 inch inseam and a 12.5 13 foot size fairly new and would like to know what kayak would be best at my size for white water and runner but i would also like to be able to do tricks without to much diffacalty
    thanks for any suggestions

    1. June 24, 2012 at 12:27 am

      That’s a tough one… what rivers do you want to paddle and what type of tricks?

      The easy answer is a 4-Fun, it will fit your size, be a great river runner for your weight, and run just about anything well.

      For a bit more river-running and less play go Funrunner 70 – an easier to paddle, longer version of this great surfing classic.

      Enjoy! Clay

  104. Lance
    July 8, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I am really considering the 4 fun. I am new to the sport and have be training at a Jackson/ACA school Geneva Kayak School in Yorkville IL. My home rivers will be Illinois, Wisconsin, and the Yough in PA, and rivers in WVA. I am 5’8″ and weight 175-185. I will mainly be running rivers but want the play boat option. Any input will be great. I did Level 1 whitewater class in a Fun Runner 70 and liked it but my hips and ankles were killing me. I did a few runs in a Hero but had a really hard time rolling in it.

  105. Kyle
    July 10, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    I am new to kayaking and am currently searching for used J.K. boats in the northwest. I am 5’10-11” and 145 pounds. I am in decent paddling shape as I am also a rafting guide. My goal is to find a boat that is fun to play and learn in and is comfortable and capable of running full days. I was wondering if you could give input on whether a 4 Fun would be appropriate for me or if it would be too big? I know that my tricking might be limited because I am below the weight range but I may put on more weight and am really only looking to do basic stuff. Thanks for the input! Love all the advice I’ve seen around the site from employees and satisfied owners.

    1. Kyle
      July 10, 2012 at 9:20 pm

      It is a 2009 by the way.

    2. July 10, 2012 at 9:36 pm

      At your size, the 2009 4 Fun would definitely be more of a river runner than an easy vertical boat. It’s a pretty big, forgiving shape. You’d be able to surf well, and certainly could play it in good spots, but it’ll be pretty tough to flatwater cartwheel and throw around in smaller spots. The 2010 4 Fun would be way more playful, and the 2009 FUN would be the perfect size for you.
      Hope that helps!!!

  106. July 21, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Hello! I’m at work browsing your blog from my new iphone 3gs! Just wanted to say I love reading through your blog and look forward to all your posts! Carry on the great work!

  107. richie
    July 25, 2012 at 1:51 am

    i just bought a fun and am loving it. i would like to have the feet a little closer. it would probably be like one more foam shim at the feet. would happy feet help me and if so what size.

  108. Edgar
    July 27, 2012 at 9:58 am

    here is yet another size question (sorry). I weigh 165 pounds and am 6’3 with 35 inch inseam. I don’t fit into a Fun – How much play would I get out of a 4 Fun?

    1. July 31, 2012 at 11:32 pm

      I’ve paddled a 4-fun a good bit and it’s a really fun river-running playboat! Hard to flatwater cartwheel or flatwater loop (though I can do it) but great once in a hole or on a wave as long as you sit on a 200 Sweet Cheeks to raise your center of gravity up a bit. Sitting higher makes any boat paddle smaller. Surfing, loops, stern squirts etc all possible just will take a bit more effort or a bit more skill. I was 170 lbs when I was paddling it … great all arounder.


  109. Jason
    August 1, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Hi – I’m a bit confused about size/weight-limit for the Fun vs. 4 Fun… seems like it’s changed a bit over the years so it really matters if buying a used boat. I’m getting back into boating after an 8-year pause due to a shouder injury that is now surgially repaired. I used to paddle class 5 and paddled a wavesport XXX at 185 pounds. I’m still 185, but want something more forgiving… want to be able to run rivers, but still have something I can cartwheel and enjoy on a wave. Any input would be super helpful, including recommendations depending on what year boat I can find. Thanks!

    1. August 5, 2012 at 2:37 pm

      You should be a perfect fit in any model of 4 Fun we’ve ever made. The Fun will be a good playboat, but not quite as forgiving downriver. The 2010 4 fun is a good bit more playful, than the others, but the 2007 would still be a good boat (just harder to throw around). For what you’re describing, I’d look for a 2010–at your size it’ll fit your bill perfectly.

  110. Bentley
    August 4, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Im looking at a 2Fun for my wife, she is 5’8″ 125-140 depending on her activity level. Would the 2Fun be a better fit or would a Fun work better?

    1. August 5, 2012 at 2:31 pm

      Then 2 Fun would be perfect for her if she wants to play vertically and river run. The Fun would be more of a river runner that would surf ok, but a good bit harder to get vertical in.

  111. Drew
    August 7, 2012 at 12:12 am

    Hey I’m 12 looking for a 2 fun a little overweight. Ive paddled with the two fun before and wanted the boat I’m not sure if I should a creeker/river runner before I buy a two fun. And also would it be worth it to buy It new or used?

    1. August 9, 2012 at 12:26 pm

      If you are 12 you’ll probably grow some so get a 2-fun IF you are at the bottom end to middle of the weight range, that way it will work for running rivers too till it you grow and might want a creeker.

      If your location is all about running rivers, a Zen or Funrunner may fit the bill. If there are lots of people playboating: park n play surfing, or just running playboats down the river then the 2-Fun seems a good fit. Tell me what you weight and where you live for the best feedback. Clay

      1. Drew
        August 13, 2012 at 1:11 am

        Well I’m 112 just at the bottom of the 2 fun. I also live in north Carolina (mountains) Should I get a another boat first and then get into play boating or just get a play boat now and learn later?

  112. Sharla
    August 13, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    I am a 115 pound 5’2″ beginner. I have been borrowing a a diesel 60 but I am looking to buy my own boat before the end of the season. It it hard without first trying a boat on for size but would this one be recommended for someone of my size looking to get into a little bit of riverrunning/playboating?

    1. August 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm

      You’d probably be PERFECT in either a 2 Fun or a Fun Runner 60! Both would be more playful than a diesel, but happy downriver. The FR would be faster and more stable–a little more river running centered, but you’d have a blast surfing, spinning, and eventually squirting it. The 2 Fun would be more like a very forgiving downriver playboat. More fun to surf and you could learn vertical tricks in it, but not quite as fast or forgiving as the Funrunner. If you want something a little more like a Diesel, you’d probably really like the Zen 55, which you’re exactly the right size for.

      Hope that helps!!!

  113. Cole
    August 19, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Hi I have a question about a fit for a boat. I’m 5′ 11″, 135 lbs, with a size 10 1/2 to 11 foot. I have just started whitewater kayaking this season and have ran the Alberton Gorge three times in a borrowed Piroutte S. I want a new playboat/ river runner type that flatwater cartwheels well. I’m also 14 and will grow in the years to come. Is the 2007 Fun a good choice for me?

    1. October 16, 2012 at 6:16 am

      If you can afford it I would definitely go for the 2011 Fun instead, as it’s faster, slicier, and a lot better on a wave. At 5’11 you’ll be fitting into it with not a whole lot of room to spare but your 135 lbs will be best suited by that newer, slicier design for playboating and surfing. Depends on where you grow! As long as you don’t get really long legs or get really thick bones you should be OK up to 175 lbs, however you may have trouble balancing it at that weight. The 07 is a bigger boat and still a great option just less playful than the newer model.

      Good Luck Cole –

  114. Dave May
    August 22, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Colin or Clay,

    Do you think the 4Fun would handle the upper Gauley for a paddler that is 6’3 and 238lbs. I’m fit, just a bigger guy. I previously owned a 2007 4Fun, which I traded in for a Monstar this year. I had a Monstar lined up for Gauley Festival this September through Ace gear shop, but I found out yesterday that they’re selling it, so I can’t use it. Therefore, my demo/rental choices for this year’s Gauley Fest are the 4Fun or the SuperHero. The former is prob a little small and the latter too big. I really want a boat that I can play down the upper Gauley, which is why I wanted to take a Monstar this year.

    I’ve been to Gauley Fest twice before and paddled the Superfun on the Upper and lower Gauley and had a great time. I currently paddle the Monstar on the South Fork American river and love everything about it. It runs the river surprisingly well, but I can still throw it down in flat water, and its AMAZING on/in a wave/hole.

    I used to paddle a 2007 4fun down the chamberlains run on the North Fork American River up to 1200 cfs, after that I would switch to my creek boat. I loved my 2007 4Fun, but I think it may have been a little small for the Upper Gauley.

    I would describe myself as a solid class IV+ paddler. I regularly run E2P on the S. Yuba and chamberlains on the NFA , and I got on 492Bridgeport this year with no swims and solid lines (in my Villain). I’ve also paddled the Gap several times without issue.

    Anyhow, I don’t want to ship my Monstar from California to Summerville, so i’m left with either the 4Fun or Superhero, and I really want to play down the upper Gauley. I haven’t checked if ACE has it, but I was thinking the Fun Runner 70 may be an option too, never paddled it though.

    Do you think the 2010 4Fun would work for me?


    Dave May

    P.S. I release you from all liability as a result of any advice you may or may not give me, and agree that any action I take is my own and based solely on my own decisions. (Just in case that’s an issue).

    1. August 30, 2012 at 1:35 pm

      Just forwarded to Colin – thanks for all the info and I’ll let him make the call. Good Luck! I imagine the Super-fun or Mon-star is what you are after but not sure where else you could get one to demo for the weekend, perhaps another shop or the Funrunner 70 or Zen 75.


  115. Robbie
    August 25, 2012 at 1:17 am

    Hey I’m 14 and looking into my first whitewater kayak. I’m almost 6’1″ and a bit over 150 pounds I think. I want to be able to run river and surf and learn tricks, but I’m more interested in playing around and having fun then shooting massive rapids. I have whitewater canoeing and a bit of kayaking experience. What kayak should I choose?

    1. August 30, 2012 at 1:24 pm

      Where do you live and what are your local runs? Having the type of kayak as the people you boat with will help you all go the right places for your boats. One good start would be a Zen 65, so you’ll be able to run rivers and surf as well. But if you are near playboating that would be a great choice – Fun or Allstar. Some extra info on where you will be learning and who with will help me narrow my suggestions…

      1. Robbie
        September 2, 2012 at 5:18 pm

        Unfortunately I live in Ohio (not too much whitewater), but I visit the east coast fairly frequently (Vermont, Upstate NY) and I intend on kayaking mostly with my family and with some buddies. Would the Zen be good for park’n’play? I’d like something that I can park’n’play with, but be able to run class II rapids if I come along them.

  116. Nat
    August 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Hi there, yet another sizing question!

    I’m 6’4″ 36″ inseam, size 14 (us) feet and weight between 210 and 230lb. I’ve been paddling a year and want a playful river boat, I only have room for one. 4 fun, Super fun or Mon-star? What do you reckon?



    1. August 27, 2012 at 2:19 pm

      I’d think that the Monstar might be the right choice if you’ll be playing a good bit and hope to learn vertical tricks. At your size it should be a very forgiving playboat. If you’re mainly concerned with stability and forgiveness, the super fun would be a better option. The super fun would take more muscle to throw around, but would be easy to surf, spin, and squirt.

      Hope that helps!

      1. Nat
        August 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm

        Thanks Stephen,

        I found a Rockstar L in a local dealer that I was able to sit in (not paddle though), which I fit OK, although an additional 1/2″ of footroom would have made it perfect especially in winter with boots on. At my stage of paddling I think realistically grade 3/4 river running and surf spins and squirts are more likely than vertical moves so probably Super Fun is more appropriate I guess.

        I’m getting the dealer to order one in for me to try.



  117. John
    August 27, 2012 at 5:52 am

    I have a 2012 Funrunner 70 and a 4-Fun (2010 or 2011). I got the funrunner to repkace a mamba. I’m 180 5’9 and running class III +in the funrunner and class III – in the 4 fun. I’m just starting into playboating and only surf so far.

    My questions are.

    Seat height. I have regular sweet cheeks and the boat feels stable for running. I tried them over a regular seat and found it less stable. How does this compare to sweet cheeks 200? And is my instability a good thing and just the boat loosening up?

    Is this a good boat match? Or should I be looking at an allstar to replace the 4fun?

    1. September 3, 2012 at 7:26 pm

      The 2010 4 Fun should be a great boat to learn to playboat with some downriver forgiveness at your size. Moving your seat higher will give you more leverage over the ends, so it should eventually be easier to get the boat vertical for playboating tricks. This also makes the boat less stable, and slightly more challenging to roll because your center of gravity is higher. If you can get used to sitting higher, many people prefer it for freestyle–but it’s definitely not fun to paddle if you’re so high up you can’t stay upright :)

      The sweet cheeks 200 should be pretty comparable to a normal seat with pad with a SC 100 on top. The nice thing with the 200 is that you’d have a lot more room to adjust it up or down and a lot more shape to the pad for a better fit. Just push more beans under you to lift more, or push more out behind you to lower.

      Hope that helps!

  118. John
    August 27, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    I currently have a 2012 Funrunner 70 and a 2010 4-Fun. I’m 5’9 and about 180. Currently I’m using the Funrunner for Class III+ and new rivers and the 4Fun for Class III-. So far I’m only surfing in the 4Fun but plan on working on new stuff. I have a couple of questions.

    1. You talked about raising the seat with a sweet cheeks 200. I’ve tried the regular sweet sheeks over a stock seat pad and felt the legs and knees were more comfortable but the boat was less “stable”. Would this be the same as the Sweetcheeks 200 or is this higher? And is that “unstable” feeling the boat “loosening up”?

    2. The other question is about my “fleet”. I don’t do much park and play (just a little from time to time) and tend to pick easier rivers with more play when I take out the 4Fun. I’m wondering if the 4Fun and Funrunner overlap too much and I should be looking at a Rockstar to replace the 4Fun?

  119. esteban
    August 29, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    hi I was the old fun4 yuo remenber the specs I think buy the new fun4 is same
    thank for yuo response

    1. September 12, 2012 at 10:34 pm

      almost exactly the same!

      Emily Jackson

  120. Ryan
    September 2, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Hey guys I have a quick sizing question. This past weekend I bought a FUN from my local dealer, it was the last of the 2012 model and i got it for a great deal. This will be my first playboat river runner so Im super excited but worried that i may have got a slightly large boat for my size and learning to play boat. I have a slim body style around 140lbs and was just wondering if I am limiting myself being at the lower target weight level. Thanks ahead for any and all information!

    1. September 2, 2012 at 7:26 pm

      Sounds like a perfect river running playboat for you. While a 2_fun or star would be easier to learn flat water cartwheeling the Fun will get you comfortably down more riveted and across the pools faster. Take a look at the 2fun and 2013 Star for shorter and easier access to vertical options. Both good river runners but they will be slower for you and. Ow quite as stable. Your call! Clay

      1. Ryan
        September 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm

        Thanks Clay for your input. Before I purchased this boat I was paddling a crossover witch of course gets me down river obviously pretty well. I wanted something I could learn to play In and even though I am at the bottom of the weight range for fun I’m hoping I can still get some vertical moves under my belt. I live in Virginia(the water isn’t the best) usually flat for a few miles then a rapid here and there back to flat again then a feature or two and back to flat. So my other goal is while I’m still having fun and playing around I need to be able to paddle pretty good distances without being slowed down too much.

  121. scott
    September 4, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    I currently have an ’07 4Fun. I’m 6’3″ 210-215. I’d like to get into play boating a little more but I still like the down river play. I paddled an ’07 super fun and it felt huge, I’m curious if you would suggest the new 4Fun or Super Fun for a guy my size. I’m right on the edge, and I’ve read the new Fun series is much easier to learn play moves in. What do you think?

  122. jayh
    October 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Have there been any redesigns to the superfun yet? All the others got revamped in 2010, except for the superfun. Just wondering if that’s changed yet.

    1. October 19, 2012 at 11:48 pm

      Nope – same Super-fun since 07 as it’s that niche we just hit every once in awhile. The Mon-star is a similar size and the new 2013 Super-star fits really big guys as well. Check em out!


  123. Liam
    October 13, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    I am 5’9″ and 128 lbs. I will need a bit of growing room. which size fun would be best?

    1. October 16, 2012 at 6:49 am

      Sounds like a 2-Fun depending on your feet but the Fun will do nicely once you get heavier too, the 2010 Funs are smaller than the earlier versions for sure.

      Good luck Liam! Clay

  124. Christine
    November 12, 2012 at 3:03 am

    I have a bit of a dilemma. I am a 47 yo female – 5’9 1/2″, 140#. I currently paddle a classic (original) 2005 – Fun. I love it and found that it fits me so much better than either the 07 Fun or the newest Fun (2Fun way too short – tried it). I’m guessing is has to do with the lower volume (51 gallons) and my body type. Anyway, it took a bit of work to find one a couple of years ago – but, I did. Today, it developed a crack which I will try to repair – and, in the meantime I am starting a search for another original fun.

    My questions to you:

    1) Any tips or leads in locating an original fun?
    2) When I was discussing repairs with some buddies today, they weren’t sure if that model was amenable to repair… what can you tell me?
    3) Other boat suggestions? I mostly paddle class 3 with some class 4 – I really like a combo river runner/play boat. I tried the funrunner and it was ok… I’m just so attatched to my old boat.

    Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.

    1. November 14, 2012 at 5:30 am

      Hey Christine!
      While I hear you on the 07 Fun, it was MUCH bigger paddling, I would give the 2010 Fun another shot as it’s just such a nice surfing boat and the stern is really slicey for it’s size too. With anything you try it will be an adjustment of outfitting and paddling style so it might take more than one run.

      Other boats to try would be the Zen 55 or 65… different class of boat but fun and really forgiving.. or a more play-oriented boat like the 2013 STAR. The STAR may be short, but it paddles really nicely downriver despite it’s rodeo roots. I’ve been paddling the STAR lately just for kicks … 5’9, Size 11 feet, 160 lbs.. Top end but fun.

      As for original Fun – try Boatertalk – someone has one for sure. Patching it will requirte tar-tape on the inside but will likely seal up nicely. No welding possible but duct tape contact cemented down to the inside or that tar-tape stuff will get you lots more use. Hit me again if you need to. All the best! Clay

      1. Christine
        November 19, 2012 at 12:17 am

        Thanks, Clay! Very helpful.

  125. Richard
    November 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Im a beginner looking at a Fun elite series. I’m 6 ft and 175 lbs with big feet. Will this be a good fit? I’m also looking at a Villian S. I know the Villian S is a bigger boat but I thought the Fun would give me a broader introduction into the sport. My experience is from a canoeing perspective. So I lean my interest towards river running. Just never play boated.

    1. November 13, 2012 at 6:08 pm

      Welcome to kayaking! I think that we have several boats that would make your transition to K1 easy and fun :) The most playful would be a 4 Fun. It would get downriver pretty well, but still be able to learn to stern squirt, eventually cartwheel, and would be the most fun surfer of the others I’d recommend. Next in the line would be a Funrunner 70. This would be a good bit faster, more forgiving and stable downriver, but would still be really fun to surf. The Funrunner would be a much tougher boat to learn any vertical playboating tricks, but it’s certainly possible. The Zen 75 would be the next step towards river/creek. It’s even faster than a Funrunner and more forgiving, but still fun to surf–you probably won’t learn any tricks in a Zen. Your ultimate ride for downriver stability and forgiveness would be a Karma M. This would be the easiest boat to successfully get down rivers upright. You could still surf it, but it wouldn’t be nearly as fun on a wave/hole as any of the others.

      Hope that helps!!!

  126. jeff
    November 16, 2012 at 3:27 am

    I’m looking for a river runner that I can play a little in and learn some play moves. Something sporty, nimble, and fun. Ive been kayaking 2 and a half years and currently run mostly class 3, 3plus rivers. I have a super hero to help me move into harder stuff. I’m 6′ 2″ and 206 in street clothes, size 13 feet. Do you think the 4 fun would be stable enough for river running for me or should I look at the super fun or something else. Thanks for your help. I want to pull the trigger soon.

  127. MIke
    November 28, 2012 at 2:32 am

    Hello! I am looking into purchasing my first kayak, but im not positive what to look for. I’ve paddled the All star, Rock star,and Fun (not sure which one) as well as a few others. I mostly play in flat water, but it isn’t unforeseeable for me to run some III(+) rivers in the future. I’m mainly looking for an all around boat that can give me some cartwheels and loops eventually. I am 6′ 150lbs 32″ inseam and size 12 shoe. Any recommendations? I was really looking into the Fun!


    1. November 28, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      Hi Mike,

      the Fun is a great option for you- easy to paddle, roll, cartwheel and you can learn to loop it too! The All-Star loops easier for sure, but the fun is a better river runner and you will enjoy the all around performance.

    2. December 5, 2012 at 5:51 pm

      Hey Mike –
      The Fun is right up your alley – while not quite as easy to loop as the All-star or Rockstar Med it’s a good cartwheeler and ready to run rivers when you are as it’s a bit longer.

      Should fit you no problem. The Allstar for 2013 is larger so would be big on you but is also a great choice, yet harder to flatwater cartwheel.

      Try the Fun and see what you think!


  128. Chris Young
    December 5, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Hi, I just saw a local Craigslist posting for a 2006 Super Fun. It’s still new, unused, in the original shipping wrap and its cheap- $300. My question is about sizing- I’m fairly new to WW kayaking, only been 2 times. I have been a sea kayaker for 15+ years. I feel comfortable on all Class 2+ and some Class 3 at this point. I’m 6′ 185, 33″ inseam, size 11 shoe.

    Is the 2006 Super Fun too big for me? I’m not looking for a trick playboat just something to get me down the river in comfort and with some basic performance as I continue to learn. I’d like to own a WW boat and this seems like a good starter at the right price…? I’d love to hear some opinions on if this boat is too big and what would be some of the challenges with a boat that is too big. Thank you!

    1. December 7, 2012 at 3:11 am

      Hey Chris –
      That’s a BIG boat for you and while 300$ is a great price on it, you’ll likely be better served to keep looking. If you just have to have it, you’ll need to glue foam on the seat under the seat pad to lift you up into the knees and then consider adding 1/2 inch foam under the thigh pads to narrow and lower them up a bit too. The idea of a Super-Fun at your weight works well for a river runner it will just need some adapting to your size.
      As for what 300$ can buy, check gearswap and ebay etc. A 4-Fun of any age, a super-hero from 07 and above, Super-star, Rocker…. check back again for any other questions or when you find something else that might work. Or email me … my first name @ jacksonkayak dott com.


  129. Dan Monskey
    December 27, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Hey Folks,
    This is great that the Badboyz are the ones responding to inquiries—we get the true view then.
    I am going on a trip through the Grand Canyon and we are using all Jackson boats. I have been paddling aroudn the world for 18 years and am a class V paddler. I love the gnar and love playboating of all kinds as well. I am 165# wet, have an inseam of 35″ and my normal boats are an RPM, Ego and Micro 240—old school, but love them. I have never paddled a Jackson boat but I’ve been in the Grand 4 times already. The rapids are no big deal but the flatwater is killer. I would wind up in a wheelchair if I paddled the whole 226 miles in my Ego—just too uncomfortable and tight in the foot area, so my RPM is what I have always used due to comfort.

    I want to ensure having fun like that using a playboat but I don’t want to have regrets in the comfort by using a “FUN” (if it is too small) and being too slow in the flats—nor have regrets and be denied the fun by using a “RUNNER” to ensure I could paddle all the flat water easily and in comfort.
    What Jackson boat do you recommend? I am not a conservative paddler and tend to push the envelop and edge, but 226 miles is a WIDE edge.

    1. December 31, 2012 at 3:57 am

      Hey Dan!
      The 165 is easy – as that’s what i weight – but 35” inseam is longer than I’m used to so I’ll do my best.

      At 165, advanced paddler I would go 2013 All-star and not look back. Suffer a bit if everyone wants to paddle hard in flatwater but make up for it throwing macho-moves, kickflips, wave wheels etc all the way down the river.

      Can you flatwater loop? You’ll want to learn that in a pool so you can get into trying macho moves … start by getting a friend to help you ”jackhammer” it around – they hold your stern vertical on the side of the pool, then push you down deep and let the boat spring back up and over your head.

      If loops aren’t your thing, then go to the 4-Fun for comfort and still some great surfing. If there’s a good breaking wave or hole you can still throw down but it’s faster in flats and can still macho move with some practice.

      The next step towards RPM is the Funrunner – and it’s not going to macho move or loop but kickflips and wave wheels will go nicely and you can still blunt and spin on the waves and cartwheel in the holes much better than an RPM. The 60 is more RPM size, the 70 is between that and the Max.

      I know the issue well – took a squirt boat once and loved it, then left my Mr. Clean for a Method Air which was a STUPID choice since there are VERY few spots for longer boats to play and TONS of small play for smaller boats. NExt run was the All-star and with the right crew it was awesome.

      EJ and I paddled the whole thing in the 2010 All-stars past Diamond Creek and had a blast – not one mile in a raft, no problem since our whole group was playing and not in a hurry to get to camp to spend the rest of the day.

      More info ? Hit me up at my first name All the best! Clay

  130. Jose Antonio
    December 27, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    SuperFun 2010 is marketed in Spain???Thanks.

    1. January 2, 2013 at 8:11 pm

      The design is still 2007 but the boat was built in 2010 with 2010 outfitting etc…
      Make sense?
      Emily Jackson

  131. John Cooke
    January 7, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Which of the Fun series would you reccommend for me. I am five foot seven and 180 pounds.I mainly do up to class three rivers and like to play on the way down.I am at the very top of the suggested weight range for the Fun but am worried I may not be able to play as much with the bigger volume of the 4Fun. Any advice would be great.

    1. January 8, 2013 at 7:17 am

      I’d go with the 4 Fun. Even though the volume is high, they paddle a little smaller than you think. If you typically paddle medium-sized playboats, then you’d be fine in the Fun. Your other option might be a large rockstar, which would be a good bit shorter and more playful, but with plenty of volume and stability :)


  132. Lembit
    January 15, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Are this some chrismas offer?
    4 Fun –
    •Weight: 34 lbs
    •Length: 6′ 8″
    •Width: 27″
    •Height: 14.5″
    •Volume: 63 gallons
    •Ideal Weight Range: 165 – 220 lbs
    •Cockpit Dimensions: 36″ x 20.75″
    •MSRP: $99
    If yes then please save 1 boat for my too.

  133. jeremy bonnough
    February 10, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    I would like to get a fun, but not sure what size to get. I just got my roll down, but I haven’t been in white water yet. I weight 210 and I’m 5’7″. I see I’m inbetween sizes. what do you sugest?


  134. jeremy bonnough
    February 11, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    I forgot to say that the 210 is with out any gear. or dry suit

  135. Dennis
    February 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    I have a problem can you clear tis up for me? I am 6’2″ 160lbs without gear, size 12 feet. I was looking at a 2010 Fun but It has been suggested that I will not fit and to get a 4Fun. I am at the very bottom of the weight range. I want to learn and do the baic playboating moves yet still run rivers ona regular basis. What is the direction I should be looking? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    thank you

    1. February 13, 2013 at 12:47 am

      I’d look at either the 4 Fun or the 2013 all star. The 4 Fun would favor running rivers and all day comfort, but the new All Star has lots of leg room and would be much easier to learn any of the vertical tricks. The 2013 all star is the largest of any medium sized playboats that I know of. I think that it would be great for you.

      1. dennis
        February 13, 2013 at 1:11 am

        Thank you,

        Is there anyway to make the Fun fit me? I have been told i could fit in the 2010 Fun fine. and i was told no get the 4 Fun. Would i be able to learn basic playboat moves in the 4FUN at my weight or would the boat perform well at my weight? I really want a river runner playboay vs a freestyle boat. Thanks for taking the time to help me.


  136. colin
    March 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    hi – i’m trying to decide which boat to take to the grand canyon. i’ve had a super fun for a few years and love it, but wanted something a bit faster for the big (but not so steep) entry waves on those rapids. i have access to a friend’s super hero. both boats are very comfortable – the super hero probably a bit more so. since i don’t really care about stern squirting or vertical moves in my old age, i’m wondering if the super hero might actually be a little bit faster for surfing? not really looking for overall recommendations since obviously that’s subjective, but do you think the super hero is any faster at all? or slower?

    1. March 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm

      Hey Colin –

      What do you weight? The Super-hero might be faster but it’s not in line with our fastest boats, the Karma L and Zen 75.

      If you are small for your Super-fun it should be similar in speed, but once you get some water over the edges the Super-Hero will be much faster. What year Super-hero is it? The original is a smaller boat but long and pointy… up to 200 lbs but FAST! Next one is a BIG boat from 07 to 2010 and it’s slower but still fast and BIG. The 2010 model is my favorite but has a slightly rounder hull and more ”creek-specific” rocker so it’s not as fast as the others but still might float you much higher than a superfun. I know several people chose the Hero over a Fun when we were there last, to keep them on the surface and provide a more confident ride in the boils and seams.

      Hope this helps! Clay

      Hope this helps!

      1. colin
        March 22, 2013 at 10:58 pm

        that helps alot – thanks for taking the time. i weigh 185, so i’m pretty light for the super fun, but had to get it cuz i’m 6’6″ with size 15s. it’s been a great river runner. anyway, i think i have the middle years super hero (though i can’t find the serial number – i think it’s worn off the stern). i guess this super hero is probably bigger and slower than ideal, but thanks to your info, and a flat-water speed test i did (the hero was a few seconds faster than the fun over about 200 yds…not much difference) i think i’ll take the hero and enjoy the stability and maybe catch a few more waves. next time a karma or zen for sure. thanks!

  137. Kev
    March 22, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Maybe you could help me find my next boat. I am a newbie who started paddling the end of last summer, but I have been on Class 1 to class 3 already. Over the winter I learned to roll in pool sessions, and my normal ride is a large Burn. I also have a really old Wavesport EZ that I can roll, and would like to play with, but it seems a bit small for me. I am about 6’1″ or 6’2″ and currently weigh 220lbs. I dont want to replace my Burn, but I would like something that I could learn blunts, squirts and the like on. Something like the EZ but hopefully much easier to get in and out of. I do not envision doing aerials and such, but need something I can sink the nose or the tail of. In general, when looking for a river running playboat, would I be better off at the upper of lower end of a rated weight range? Thank you.

    1. March 22, 2013 at 4:50 pm

      Hey Kev:

      220 is not problem, and if you plan on keeping your Burn and want more like the EZ we got that and it’s called the Fun series!

      A 4-Fun will be larger than a Big EZ but still a VERY playful boat at your weight – easy to squirt and capable of all tricks. This sounds like my first choice for you to check out. Cockpits have come a long way since the EZ!!

      The Super-fun is an older model but MASSIVE in size and you would be at the bottom end of the weight range so it would river run will while allowing you to stern squirt and cartwheel in a hole but take some effort in the flats.

      Check these out and see what you think… you could also go to a full-on playboat like the 2013 Super-star and get a whole lot of play without having to loop or airblunt … even though those tricks will go easier in it than the 4-Fun too.

      Hit me back for me when you need it.. Clay

  138. Chris
    March 22, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Looking at a Fun on craigslist, but am having a tough time deciding whether to get a fun or a 4fun. I am a beginner boater, and am 6 foot, 165-170, and have size 11 feet. What do you think would be best?

    1. March 25, 2013 at 3:37 pm

      Hey Chris
      I’m 165 and paddled a Fun and 4-fun recently. The Fun is much more of a play-boat for our weight… easy to get the ends down for cartwheels and small and light enough to work the smallest features well. I don’t thinkg your feet will be too long or big but they will be snug.

      The 4-Fun is a bigger boat and will be much harder to flatwater cartwheel. If you aren’t worried about that, it’s a great combination of river running with full play potential .. and feels much faster in the flats. I ended up paddling the 4-fun for downriver fun and using a full-playboat when I wanted to really throw down. That said, I could do just about every trick in the 4-fun in a good hole and had a blast surfing. It’s a good design for sure, and by choosing a larger size you get a lot more river running potential. The Fun will be better suited to playboating and familiar streams and smaller holes and waves.

      Hope this helps!

  139. Jeff
    March 26, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    I’m looking for a playful river runner. I’ve been paddling a few years and am not a playboater and don’t really see myself doing a lot of vertical stuff, but I would like to play down the rivers. Class III – IV. I’m 6’2, 205. I’m thinking 4-Fun would be good. Should I consider the superfun too? I’ll be buying used and I know there have been some design changes so I was wondering what model years I need to consider?

  140. Brad Colville
    March 29, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    It’s 2013. Is the SuperFun still unchanged since 2007? I wasn’t able to find this information on the website. Thanks.

    1. March 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      Yes, the Superfun is the 2007 design.

    2. Pablo
      April 10, 2013 at 3:10 pm

      Kayak design may be capped for now. Every little angle,gimmick and rocker that can possibly be designed into a boat probably already has been…. It may be awhile for ANY company to come out with something revolutionary so don’t be surprised if the wheel keeps getting re-invented.

      In my opinion, you guys have all the designs you will ever need. Now it’s time to work on comfort and convenience. The more comfy a paddler is in the boat, the longer they will want to use it and the more they will recommend it to their friends.

  141. Pablo
    April 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Hi there,

    I’ve never seen this topic covered before. I’m a short paddler. 5’7 and no matter what I do I always look like I’m sitting way too low in the boat. I’ve been paddling a Wavesport EZ for years now and I’m looking at getting a Jackson fun or fun elite. Can anyone tell me if this is a good boat that I can crank easily? Because I’ve always sat so low I’m looking for a boat that I sit higher in and can easily pull moves with.

    1. April 9, 2013 at 5:57 pm

      you’ve got lots of options with JK! The Fun or the All star might work very well for you. How much do you weigh? Our cockpit rims are really low around the hip area, so you should feel less swallowed for sure. You should also consider adding some extra foam or a sweet cheeks 200 to your seat to lift you up a bit. This will give you a lot more height/leverage over the ends, and for driving the playboat around, but will also make you feel a little tippier until you get used to it. Or, depending on your weight, you may be able to go for a smaller boat.

      1. Pablo
        April 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm

        Hi Stephen,

        Thanks for the reply. I weigh about 170-175. the fun is the one I am looking at but you mentioned the all star.

        What are the differences for a paddler like me (measured myself yesterday I’m 5,6, 175lbs) who needs to sit higher without adding extra padding or inserts. Also, I may be using the boat to safety kayak as well. Basically dude, I just want to be able to ride high enough to crank out turn a flatwater cartwheel and not have to go on steroids to do it ;)

  142. mitch
    April 23, 2013 at 2:43 am

    hi guys i have being reading the comments

    i wasnt sure but would a 2 fun playboat fit me i am 61kg (135 pounds) and i am about 165cm tall, and i am 15 do you think it would still fit me in two or three years

    thanks mitch

    1. May 28, 2013 at 4:52 pm

      Hey Mitch –
      At 135 the 2-Fun is perfect but if you want a bit more versatility check out the 2013 STAR – extra playboating potential AND river runs similar to a 2-Fun but I can paddle it at 165 lbs still. Sounds like a 2013 Star might suit your needs longer term … it will just be a challenge to flatwater cartwheel but everything else will be great. 2-fun is a smaller boat suitable up to 145. Clay

  143. Renee
    April 28, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Is the 4Fun really .5 higher then the Super Fun or is that a typo? I like the felling of sitting lower in a boat like I do with my Super Hero. Thanks!

    1. May 2, 2013 at 9:13 pm

      Hey Renee –

      Might be a typo, not sure as I haven’t seen a Super-fun in ages. The Super-fun is a much bigger boat than the 4-Fun and a completely different shape (older). The newer 4-Fun might actually be taller in the knees but it’s lower at the edges and feels like a much smaller, sportier boat. The 4-Fun seat is the same height as the Super-hero but the cockpit rim might be different.


  144. Blaine
    April 29, 2013 at 6:04 am

    Hi there, I’ve been thinking about getting a Fun and just want to know about fit. I am 5’11” and 155lbs (no gear) with a 33″ inseam. I have been playing in the pool with a 2006 4fun that fits me pretty well. I definitely can’t do any flat water stern squirts. I tried jamming myself into a 2006 fun, but wouldn’t fit. My goal is mostly to do river running with lots of surfing and some basic vertical playing along the way…but mostly river running. I’d like to get into a new 2013 fun or 4fun and wondering which would work best for me. I know my weight is perfect for a fun, but my height seems to be an issue…at least in the older version. Is the 2013 fun bigger than the older model? Would a 4fun be the better option? Thanks for your advice!


    1. Blaine
      May 17, 2013 at 10:52 pm

      Hi There,

      I got to sit in a 2013 Fun the other night and fits pretty good without being too squishy. Probably room for one piece of foam in the bow for comfort. Seat was in the middle and I would probably slide it back one position.

  145. J
    May 8, 2013 at 2:39 am

    Hello Jackson Family, I curently have a Molan Medium and find it hard to do flatwater tricks. I’m 5’9 with a 31″ inseam and 145lbs without gear. I’m looking for something easier to do stern squirts and cartwheels. I kinda feel the Medium Molan is a tad to big but the small was too small. Would I fit into a 2 Fun? What would you suggest?

    1. May 8, 2013 at 4:14 am

      I think that you’d fit the 2 fun just fine, but a better option might be the 2013 Star, which is a larger small boat. There’s TONS of leg room in it, it’s easy to throw around, and really forgiving downriver. Nick’s been paddling one for big water waves for several months now at 155 lbs, and I had a lot of fun in one as well at your weight. 2 Fun would work, but if you want something easier to throw around the new Star would be MUCH easier.

      Hope that helps!!!

  146. B
    May 19, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Which of the Fun series or other boat would you reccommend for me. I am 5′ 4″ and 115# mainly do up to class three rivers and like to play/surf on the way down. I am looking to get into a different boat i current am in a pyranha in zone 222. i like the boat but am sick of dealing with the leaking around the handles and a few other small things. Any advice would be great thank you for your help.

    1. May 21, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      I’d go for the 2 Fun at your size. It’ll be very forgiving, dry, fun to surf, and a great size for you! I’m 145, and the 2 Fun felt a little small on me so it should be perfect for your size.

  147. DavidWendorf
    May 22, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Guys, After reading a ton of these queries, I am leaning toward a 2010 4Fun, if I can find one I can afford. However, before that I’d like some advice. I have boated in canoes and sit-on-tops (the last of which I hate, because they are so boring while watching everyone play in real kayaks) but I have never owned my own kayak. I live in Alabama, and the most common rivers I will see are the Locust Fork, Mulberry Fork, Coosa, and North into Tennessee, Georgia, etc. when I can. I want a boat that I can successfully paddle downstream during the waits for the next rapid, but when I get there, I want to have fun. Of course, at my level, I wont be starting with crazy stuff and will need some lessons. Should I pick something longer or more stable to start with, as in, will I die in this boat while learning to paddle whitewater in a new kind of watercraft?!
    I am 6’1″, 180 lbs or so, size 11 shoe, fairly tall and lanky. I have always taken naturally to paddling, just never had the money for my own boat til now (don’t tell my wife!). A friend is picking up a Funrunner, but I heard some paddlers saying they didn’t like those.

    1. May 22, 2013 at 3:33 pm

      The 4 Fun certainly fits the bill for what you’re looking to do, but will allow you to playboat as well if that’s something you’d like to do. Another option would be a Zen 75, which is the perfect size for you, would be more forgiving downriver, but still fun surfing. The 4 Fun will make it easier to learn to play (stern squirt, and other vertical moves), the Zen would make it easier to get down river and enjoy more speed catching eddies, ferrying, and zipping all over the place :) The Zen wouldn’t stern squirt or be a vertical trick boat, but would be more forgiving, and easier to learn in.
      Hope that helps! Welcome to kayaking!!!!!!!!
      PS in the 4 Fun, try it with the seat forward. In the Zen, try it with the seat back. Most of the team agrees that that is how those designs paddle best at first.

      1. DavidWendorf
        May 23, 2013 at 5:27 am

        Coices, choices! I really like the look of the Zen as well. Here’s to hoping I can get in a good boat sooner rather than later! Thanks for the advice.

      2. DavidWendorf
        June 4, 2013 at 5:34 pm

        Hey guys I am taking to someone about a 2007 4fun. How does that compare with the 2010 and others? I wanna make sure I can fit in it comfortably and that sizes and performance are good.

        1. June 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm

          Hey David –
          The 07 Fun model is a larger paddling, more river running oriented boat than the more playful 2010. Both fit the same sizes of paddler but the 07 has much higher edges for stability, which makes it better for river running but harder to cartwheel or squirt.
          Hope this helps! Clay

  148. Lily
    May 24, 2013 at 2:40 am

    I am 5’7″, about 235 lbs. and a beginner. I will be primarily paddling the Mather Gorge and Little Falls areas of the Potomac–class II-II+, mainly. I wouldn’t mind the ability to learn a bit of freestyle, but mainly for right now I just want to feel comfortable and secure as I learn. I’ve sat in the Super Hero and it was a perfect fit. The Fun Runner 70 is a tiny bit snug but ok, and the Super Fun and Karma both fit very well. So my question is, which would be best for the paddling I intend to do? Any help would be awesome, thanks!

    1. May 28, 2013 at 4:12 pm

      Hey Lily!

      At 235 that Funrunner will be a bit sporty for a beginner even though it’s a good design for your needs.

      I would suggest a 4-Fun or Super-fun instead. The Super-hero is a great boat and will be fun but you may enjoy a bit more surfing potential.

      In any of these boats consider a sweet cheeks 200 to lift you into the knee area of these bigger boats designed for taller people.

      The Zen 75 is my other top pick – while it won’t be as versatile in the creeking arena for your size it should suit the Potomac perfectly and have a bit more volume in the stern to help you learn.

      There you go – Zen 75, Super-fun with a 200 sweet cheeks, Super-hero. Enjoy! For more detailed info contact – he’s 220 and lived on the Potomac for years. All the best –

      1. Lily
        June 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm

        Thanks, this is exactly what I needed. I sincerely appreciate it.

  149. Tony
    May 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Paddling the grand canyon for the first time this summer. I paddle a Rockstar M at home and previously had a 2010 Allstar. Im about 5’9″ 32” inseam and weigh between 175-190. Even at the high end of the weight I have had no problem with the rock star on class 4 (ocoee, upper yough, etc). Will not be bringing my own boat out but have a choice of jackson boats: FunRunner 70, Fun (newest), Zen 65. Wondering what you would recommend? I think I might be a little too heavy for the Fun and Zen 65 so I am leaning towards the FunRunner 70. I would prefer the Fun to get more play but using a short boat on the extremes of the weight range has me a bit worried for the flatwater. Disclaimer, my only worry about the Fun is the flats, i am not concerned about getting through the rapids, so maybe I should just suck it up and go small?


    1. May 30, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      Hey Tony!

      If you can wave-wheel or kickflip you will definitely want a boat that can do those tricks. At around 180 lbs you may want a slightly bigger boat than the Medium but many paddlers enjoy paddling playboats despite the flatwater you will encounter. It’s all moving, so it’s really just a matter of not getting too far behind.

      You have a tough call and thanks for filling in all those blanks .. I want to put you in a 2013 All-star or 4-Fun or 2010 Super-star but since those are not an option:

      Funrunner 70: GREAT fast surfy boat most people would LOVE on the Grand but your wave wheels are going to take some practice as it’s a long, big bow. You will get plenty of practice! Kickflips YES – everywhere! Macho moves no.

      Fun: Macho moves, wave wheels, kickflips all YES but you will be ‘deep’ in the water so less able to move around, slower in flats, and have a tougher time getting up to speed for your tricks.

      Zen 65: Great size for you but a bigger boat overall than the Fun’s and slightly bigger than Funrunner – stern especially. Perfect Grand boat for some play, some wavewheels and kickflips once you are practiced, but no macho moves. Super-sporty feeling boat just longer.

      Hit me back again for more my first name @ Clay

  150. Kevin Hill
    June 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    My wife (and I) are looking at a new addition to our fleet. She currently paddles a Rogue 9, and I paddle a Hero. We love both, and plan to keep both. We’re looking at a used 2 Fun (2010 series), and we are curious if it would only fit her, or if we could both use it.

    She is 5’6″ 130, so that seems just right for the 2 Fun (right?). However, I’m 6’0″ 140. Any idea if I would fit? We may have a chance to demo, so that would let us know for sure. It would mostly be her boat, but it would be nice if we could both use it since it will be our most “playful” boat. Go Team Jackson! :)

  151. Kevin Hill
    June 4, 2013 at 2:45 am

    Oh, and my shoe size is 10.5 in case that’s an issue. Thanks Clay!

  152. Blaine Walker
    June 4, 2013 at 5:53 am

    Hi, I need help deciding. I just made it down my first class 2 river in a rental wavesport fuse 56 and I’ve been paddling a 2007 4fun all winter in the pool. I am 156lbs with no gear, 5’11” with a 35″ inseam. My main goals are to river run class 2-3 and surf and do some basic play moves. We also have a kayak park in the city that I would like to get some use out of. I have an opportunity to bu a gently used 2011 fun for a great price, but can’t actually sit in it before I buy it or I could buy a new 4fun, but I don’t know which would be best and more importantly which one I will fit in. I’ve tried sitting in a 2007 fun and it is tight. Is the newer fun a little roomier? Thank you for your help.

    1. June 4, 2013 at 6:46 pm

      Hey Blaine!
      Given your 35” inseam you’ll be pushed to larger boats than your 156 lbs would normally choose. My top picks would be the 2010 to present 4-Fun or an 07-09 Superstar – but sit up on a 200 Sweet Cheeks to give you more leverage.

      Sadly I don’t think you’ll fit balanced in the Fun even though that is the size your weight would be best in.

      For extra long-legged advice you could contact our resident tall-guy colin kemp : his first name at jackson kayak dot com.

      Best of luck! Hit me again for more info. Clay

  153. Kay
    June 5, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    I’m new to WW kayaking and am learning on the Ottawa this summer. I’m 5’10, 155 with a 30″ inseam. I’m looking to start off doing basic river running and some surfing but want to start playing a little more as I get more comfortable. Right now I’m torn between the 2010 AllStar, Medium Rockstar and the Fun. What option do you think will work best for me?

    1. June 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Hey Kay!

      For the Ottawa you can choose many of these options but the 2010 All-star sounds like your best ”fit” for 155 lbs or the Fun. The Fun is faster and longer but in my experience paddlers can learn just as fast in either boat.

      My #1 choice would be the 2014 Rockstar , as it’s more forgiving than the original and I feel people will learn as fast in it as they can in the 2010 Allstar or 2013

      The 2013 is the PERFECT boat for this but at 155 you are in between sizes for optimum play. You could choose the STAR and learn hole tricks and flatwater very fast or choose the All-star and have a forgiving river runner that is harder to cartwheel but with the 2010 you will fit perfectly.

      Hope this helps! Clay

  154. Jordan
    June 8, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    hi, I’m 6 foot tall and i weigh around 155 pounds without any gear, my shoe size is an 11. I was wondering if you think the 4 fun would be a good fit me.

    1. June 10, 2013 at 6:06 am

      At 155 you’ll be on the smaller side in the 4-Fun but of course you will fit. It will be more like a river runner that surfs well.

      You might consider the 2013 All-star instead, as it’s going to fit you well and be a lot more playful – and still very capable of river running.

      The All-star fits your weight better than the 4-fun if you want to do some playboating. Definitely consider a Sweet Cheeks 200 or seat riser of some sort once you find a boat you are comfortable. Good Luck! Clay


  155. Jordan
    June 8, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    btw, i could get the sweet cheeks and feet if that makes any difference.

  156. Harry
    June 26, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    My gf, 110 lbs, beginner, is looking for a boat for learning whitewater. She sat in a 2 Fun, but it seemed really loose. Is that just the outfitting or should she look for a smaller boat. Which one?

    1. June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      The 2 Fun would be a great choice! The other option might be a Zen 55, which would be a little longer, and more designed with going downriver easily in mind. The Zen 55 is probably sized a hair smaller than the 2 fun as well. The 2 Fun should paddle great at her size, so I’d guess that you just needed to adjust some outfitting (more hip pad shims, more air in the happy feet or more foam in the bow, tighter backback, etc….). Enjoy!

      1. Harry
        June 27, 2013 at 12:11 pm

        Thanks, we’re going to give it a try. But first, we have to try to modify the outfitting.

  157. Mike
    July 8, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I’m looking at buying a Fun 2 this weekend, the size chart says I could fit in a Fun 2 based on my weight. I’m 5′ 11″ and weigh 150lbs, I was curious what you guys thought. I want a snug but comfortable fit so I can work on my play, Thanks!

    1. July 9, 2013 at 11:43 am

      You’ll definitely be able to paddle a 2Fun. It’ll be smaller on you, so easier to throw around in the flatwater, and great to surf, spin, blunt, cartwheel, etc…. If you wanted a boat to learn to loop in, you’d do better with one of our medium playboats like a rockstar M.

  158. Ryleigh
    July 25, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Hey there! I’m looking to get my first playboat, and I’m think about getting the Fun. I’m 5’2 and 135 lbs. I know I’m at the bottom of the weight range, but I’d like to be able to share it with a friend of mine. Would it be a better option to get the 2Fun though? Let me know your thoughts! Thanks

    1. July 25, 2013 at 11:52 pm

      If you want to learn to play boat at all then go with the 2 Fun. Either way the 2 FUn is the correct sizing for you, the Fun is big for you making it harder to learn to play boat in. It would act more of a river runner then anything.

      Hope that helps
      Emily Jackson

  159. Cole C
    August 5, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Hey Jackson community,

    I’m thinking of buying a 2-Fun from a friend of mine – primarily as a play boat but some whitewater/river running also. I’m a little concerned that the boat is too small for me – I’m 6’0″, 165 lbs. I’ve used the boat on flat water (it’s tight but not excruciating, by any means) and it’s certainly a lot of fun to play with. But I’m wondering if I should go with purchasing a new Fun instead. Any advice would be very much appreciated!

    1. August 8, 2013 at 8:03 pm

      Comfort over time in a kayak is your answer. I recommend going to the smaller size ONLY if you are agressive in improving your playboating skills. A small playboat is always easier to throw around etc. But if you are simply looking for a bit of control and spend a day happy on the water, the larger size brings comfort to the forefront. It also makes the lines easier too as a longer kayak will of course be faster.

  160. Blaine
    August 19, 2013 at 4:07 am


    So I’ve been paddling a 2013 Fun this summer and I have a solid roll on class II+ and have been running rivers pretty well for a beginner. I want to start getting into downriver playing a bit more. I’m 158lbs at 5’11” tall and 34″ in seam. I just fit in the Fun with a custom foot block. I’m trying to learn double pump and want to move on to bow stalls, cartwheels, etc. Not necessarily on flat water, but it would be nice. I might have an option to get myself into a 2013 allstar. Will the allstar make it easier to do these and still get me down the river well? Or should I stick with my Fun and just keep practicing. Thanks for helping me out.


  161. James Ives
    August 20, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Ok, I have been looking at getting a playboat for ages, I’ve always wanted a Jackson due to their quality and the exceptional engineering. The only problem I’m having is finding one at the £300 to £400 mark. I don’t mind it being second hand, but I also need to know which boat to look for. I’m a beginner at whitewater and freestyle but I’m confident in a boat. I’m also 125lbs and 5’5

    Thanks for reading my ramblings


    1. August 20, 2013 at 7:19 pm

      As for used boats I don’t know your area but as for which sizes the 2-Fun sounds right up your alley as does the Zen 55 as a river runner and the Lil Hero or Karma S for a creeker.

      In used look for an older 2-Fun or Star series playboat. Check em out online, ebay etc and have fun choosing! Clay

  162. Blaine Walker
    August 31, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Hey there,

    I’ve been paddling a 2013 Jackson Fun this summer. Running rivers and trying to learn to play on the way down. I’d like to start doing or trying to do flatwater stalls, cartwheels and such. I’m 165 lbs, 6 feet tall with a 34 inch inseam. I’m just learning the double pump and I’m wonder if these things would be easier in a 2013 Allstar or if I should stick it out with my fun because it is a few gallons less even though it is a little less playfull design. I still want run rivers and most of the play is catch on the fly.


  163. Chris
    September 8, 2013 at 3:14 am

    I’m 6’4″ and about 200lbs. size 13 foot and 36inch inseam. I’m looking for a good combination of play boating and river running capabilities. Would the 4Fun be a good fit or is there a better option for us big guys?

    1. September 11, 2013 at 5:44 pm

      Hey Chris –

      With the 36” inseam that’s a bit long for the 4-fun even though it fits you.

      You could get away with the Mon-star or 2013 All-star – since they are a bit big for you you should get more river running benefits out of them than these playboats offer most people. If you are all leg, just sit up a bit higher to make the boats seem narrower. Colin Kemp is our resident big guy if you need additional info (his first name Hope this helps!


  164. Erik
    October 1, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Hey guys,

    As of right now I’m 6’4, size 11.5 feet, and gravitate between 200-210. I have an offer to buy someone’s used 2010 Super Fun, but I’m worried I fall too shy of the weight range to be able to throw it around playboating, as I’d be using it as more of a playboat than a river runner. On the other side of things, I’m worried I wouldn’t fit lengthwise into the 4 Fun with a 36 inch inseam. Thoughts?

    1. October 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm

      You’ll definitely be a bit small to throw around a super fun. You might be able to fit a 4 fun, but you’re best option is actually a 2013 super starr It’s a 1/2 size down from a monstar, which puts you in the perfect weight range for it. It’d be very forgiving downriver and a great all around playboat for ya with lots of foot room. hope that helps!

  165. Travis
    October 3, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    I’m helping some international friends buy kayaks, getting several Fun 1.5 and Fun 1 for the kids, but some parents have asked for boats as well. They have never actually paddled and I’m on the fence between the Fun and Fun Runner. Unfortunately there aren’t any demos in the area they’re based. I’m guessing that as they progress at the most they’ll be out on class 1 and 2 easy water with their kids. Some of the parents might be interested in slicing in and out of eddies and cruising around a little more aggressively, but overall my guess is that they’re not likely to become very aggressive paddlers. Any thoughts? How about from a teaching perspective? In some ways it seems like having a boat with some more speed will make it more fun to teach some of the strokes, eddy crossing, etc, but it also seems like the Fun Runner could be slightly less forgiving than the Fun. I’ve paddled the Fun Runner a bunch and love it, but I don’t think I’ve paddled this variation of the Fun, so it’s hard to know.

    Many thanks!

    1. October 8, 2013 at 7:34 pm

      Hey Travis:
      The Fun is more ”fun” if they want to stern squirt, cartwheel, bow stall etc and it’s lighter so easier to carry for kids.

      The Funrunner is longer and faster for a more slalom-like feeling and more speed cruising in and out of eddy lines etc. At the very top end of the weight range it’s squirtable but more forgiving over all in whitewater as there’s less edge and more bow/stern stability.

      Aggressive beginners I would go FUN. Less aggressive or non-playboating parents and teachers I would go Funrunner.

      Hope this helps!


  166. John
    October 10, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Hi Guys,
    looking to get a boat for mainly river running,grade 3/4 like to play on the features (old school moves) and escorting newcomers on introduction trips and coaching.
    At 180 lbs and 5ft 7 inches would you recommend the Fun, 4Fun or the Fun runner 60.

    1. October 13, 2013 at 6:04 pm

      Hey John –
      Sounds like 4-Fun or Funrunner 60 if you want to cartwheel, funrunner 70 or Zen 65 / 75 if you mainly want to surf and paddle downstream.

      The Zen 75 would be a full-on River Runner for you to take on harder things or with gear and for rescue while the 65 would be more fun but not as fast and forgiving when loaded.

      4-Fun will be on the larger size too but also play pretty well. Sit up on a Sweet Cheeks 200 for extra leverage to throw down and make the cockpit ‘fit’ best.

      Hope this helps!


  167. John
    December 2, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    I already have a 2012 Super Hero and love it. But I’d also like a smaller boat with a little more play for Class II/III and park & play. I’m 5’10” 190-195 pounds, 32” inseam, size 9. I found an OK deal on a 2008 4Fun. It should be good for me, right? I’m curious if there have been significant upgrades since then and how this boat compares to the current and previous models.

    1. December 3, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      Hey John!

      The 08 version is a great boat for you but more of a river-runner play boat and might replace your Super-hero for many of the rivers you run often. It’s a great river-running size for you with high sidewalls for stability and a bit more volume in the ends than newer boats for extra bow-stern stability.

      The 2010 to current model is a slicier version with more play in mind – it’s got an even better hull for surfing and while it’s not quite as river-running friendly it will be more of a contrast to your Super-hero while still getting you downstream. The newer version paddles ”smaller” than the 07-09 version. So the 08 model – will be more play and a great move from the Super-hero but the 2010 to present model will be way more fun in holes, waves, and park and play at your weight.

      Don’t write off looking for an older Super-star either! At 195 the 07-09 model will be much like the newer 4-Fun, the 2010-2103 model will be shorter and surfier, and th 2013 model will be larger so you might check out a 2013 All-star instead.

      Hope this helps broaden your options and know what you are looking at when you find them!


  168. whoever
    January 4, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    Sitting in the 4 Fun barefoot, the stock foam bulkhead feels fine without any adjustment. But seems there’s no way to get in there with water shoes on, unless I change my feet position more pointing forward. The front of the boat is simply not big enough for a more flared foot position.

    Anyway, if I go with Happy Feet, based on the description, should I go with L or XL? Everything else being equal, I assume more bean is better than pumping air?

    1. January 5, 2014 at 4:55 am

      I’d go with a Large. If your feet are that far into the end of the boat, you won’t need to be pumping air. The Happy feet should make it easier to get farther forward more comfortably by filling in all the space around your foot and paddling your potential pressure points. Also, Try to use the lowest-profile booties possible–I’ve had great luck with the NRS Freestyle booties–good grippy walking and foot protection, but takes up almost no space. If all else fails, some folks have had good luck by using heat to add slightly bigger footbumps–don’t over-do it or you could melt your kayak! Also, if you damage the boat up there, it’ll void warranty for future breaks in that area, but it’s been done before successfully in lots of different kayaks.
      I hope that helps!!!

  169. Harry
    January 21, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    My fiance has just started kayaking with me. She is 5’10, 145 pounds, with a 35 inseam. I started her in a hero and she is very stable and happy. I am treating myself to a new boat and will still have my 2009 4Fun. Because of her height and leg length it seems lie a good fit for her. How would it paddle for someone at her weight?

    1. January 28, 2014 at 1:53 am

      Hey Harry –

      At 145 the 4-Fun is going to be a BIG boat for her even at 5’10, but as I’ve paddled it a lot i can tell you how to make it work.

      1. Sweet Cheeks 200 on TOP of foam pad.

      2. Glue 3 hip pad shims together and cram them in both sides.. then add more if needed. The glue makes the foam feel more solid and lets you get away with 3 or more shims feeling as stable as 2.

      3. Foam behind the Happy Feet – as she likely will reach the footbag but have a lot of room around it. Add foam behind the bag and then suggest she wear crocks or thicker shoes to fill in more space.

      That boat will be fast, forgiving, and loose on a wave for her.. the design really does excel nicely for lighter paddlers who don’t want to go vert.


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